God save the Queen
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Nazis only won 33 percent of the vote in 1932. They achieved totalitarian power by coup. By burning down the Reichstag, dismissing the parliament, and subverting Weimar democracy. And by killing or imprisoning their opponents, the communists, the socialists, and the liberal social democrats.
I agree that the German nation is accountable for not doing more to resist the actions of the Nazis.
Russians did a similar thing by re-embracing totalitarianism under Putin. Some Americans tried to do the same thing on 1/6. Why?
Circumstances are similar: fear of their own future. Being spineless cowards, they choose to let someone smarter, braver and stronger do all the heavy lifting instead of keeping themselves accountable for their own fate.
moon
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The Zelenskies ignored the democratic Ukrainian election, staged a coup, drove the pro-Russians out and burned trade-unionists alive in their hall. They're still killing their political opponents- and their families- today. They're YOUR boys. The weight of your hypocrisy would buckle any decent person.
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I think we take democracy too much for granted. Whether it's Germany, Russia, or United States there is always a substantial portion of the population that is drawn to authoritarianism.
Democracy is not guaranteed, and it has to be fought for. Let's remember that after democratic Athens in the 5th century BCE, democracy disappeared for 1,500 years. Democracy is completely an anomalous experience in human experience.
Geeko Sportivo
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I share many of these same sentiments. But, I can't think of any other political or prominent leader figure in history that has ever received so much love and respect as the Queen is to her own citizens as well as the entire world. She is as much loved as the Pope around the world. In fact, I would say even more so!
The Queen was special- And King Chuck-a-luck has a lot of work to do to fill his mother's shoes.
I think he can handle it! He has the genes anyway, at least!
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31 May 1977: The BBC bans the Sex Pistols’ “God Save the Queen”
Thirty years after its release, John Lydon—better known as Johnny Rotten—offered this assessment of the song that made the Sex Pistols the most reviled and revered figures in England in the spring of 1977: “There are not many songs written over baked beans at the breakfast table that went on to divide a nation and force a change in popular culture.” Timed with typical Sex Pistols flair to coincide with Queen Elizabeth II’s Silver Jubilee, the release of “God Save The Queen” was greeted by precisely the torrent of negative press that Sex Pistols manager Malcolm McLaren had hoped. On May 31, 1977, the song earned a total ban on radio airplay from the BBC—a kiss of death for a normal pop single, but a powerful endorsement for an anti-establishment rant like “God Save The Queen.”
While some in the tabloid press accused the Sex Pistols of treason and called for their public hanging, the BBC was more moderate in its condemnation. In response to lyrics like “God Save The Queen/She ain’t no human being,” the BBC labeled the record an example of “gross bad taste”—a difficult charge to argue, and one the Sex Pistols wouldn’t have wanted to dispute. Even with the radio ban in place, however, and with major retailers like Woolworth refusing to sell the controversial single, “God Save The Queen” flew off the shelves of the stores that did carry it, selling up to 150,000 copies a day in late May and early June.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...e-bbc-bans-the-sex-pistols-god-save-the-queen
Thirty years after its release, John Lydon—better known as Johnny Rotten—offered this assessment of the song that made the Sex Pistols the most reviled and revered figures in England in the spring of 1977: “There are not many songs written over baked beans at the breakfast table that went on to divide a nation and force a change in popular culture.” Timed with typical Sex Pistols flair to coincide with Queen Elizabeth II’s Silver Jubilee, the release of “God Save The Queen” was greeted by precisely the torrent of negative press that Sex Pistols manager Malcolm McLaren had hoped. On May 31, 1977, the song earned a total ban on radio airplay from the BBC—a kiss of death for a normal pop single, but a powerful endorsement for an anti-establishment rant like “God Save The Queen.”
While some in the tabloid press accused the Sex Pistols of treason and called for their public hanging, the BBC was more moderate in its condemnation. In response to lyrics like “God Save The Queen/She ain’t no human being,” the BBC labeled the record an example of “gross bad taste”—a difficult charge to argue, and one the Sex Pistols wouldn’t have wanted to dispute. Even with the radio ban in place, however, and with major retailers like Woolworth refusing to sell the controversial single, “God Save The Queen” flew off the shelves of the stores that did carry it, selling up to 150,000 copies a day in late May and early June.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...e-bbc-bans-the-sex-pistols-god-save-the-queen
Tranquillus in Exile
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The English monarch has been (in practice) a non-executive head of state since the early 18th century.
If you have an elected, executive head of state, you can get problems once in a century or so - like TRUMP.
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Are you advocating monarchy or democracy?
Tranquillus in Exile
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It's possible to have both. England has had both for about a century and a half (and much longer than that with freedom under the law, which is not the same thing as democracy). Early days yet, but it seems to work well
What is virtually impossible imo is to have something like Trump rising to the top in a parliamentary democracy. He would have to spend many years working his way through the House and Senate before he had a chance at the Presidency - and that's assuming his colleagues hadn't seen what he was by then.
You could get some not-so-good ones coming through, but not a Trump type. That isn't his game.
It's possible to have both. England has had both for about a century and a half (and much longer than that with freedom under the law, which is not the same thing as democracy). Early days yet, but it seems to work well
What is virtually impossible imo is to have something like Trump rising to the top in a parliamentary democracy. He would have to spend many years working his way through the House and Senate before he had a chance at the Presidency - and that's assuming his colleagues hadn't seen what he was by then.
You could get some not-so-good ones coming through, but not a Trump type. That isn't his game.
Disagreed. The mere idea that people can be above the law or better than others simply because of a birthright is completely antithetical to American ideology.
Are you from a monarchist country, TIE?
Agreed that parliamentary democracy is worth discussing. Birthright just for special people? Not so much.
A democracy is only as strong as the citizens supporting it. Authoritarians are not very democratic.
It's possible to have both. England has had both for about a century and a half (and much longer than that with freedom under the law, which is not the same thing as democracy). Early days yet, but it seems to work well
What is virtually impossible imo is to have something like Trump rising to the top in a parliamentary democracy. He would have to spend many years working his way through the House and Senate before he had a chance at the Presidency - and that's assuming his colleagues hadn't seen what he was by then.
You could get some not-so-good ones coming through, but not a Trump type. That isn't his game.
Or we could pass an amendment getting rid of the electoral college and end the tyranny of the minority.
Trump would have never been president if the will of the voter were respected. Trump decisively lost the popular vote both times he ran --> in other words, the American voter knew how to make the right choice.
Althea
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Something we probably won't ever hear again in our/our kids' lifetime
Theywillneverlearn!
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Hey Sailor, we all know that you like crack.
Since it's highly unlikely to get that ballot approved by 2/3s of the States and ratified by 3/4s, IMO, it's a waste of time to consider the option. Ranked voting seems a better, more attainable option.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/amending-the-u-s-constitution.aspx
Authority to Amend the U.S. Constitution
Article V of the United States Constitution outlines basic procedures for constitutional amendment.
- Congress may submit a proposed constitutional amendment to the states, if the proposed amendment language is approved by a two-thirds vote of both houses.
- Congress must call a convention for proposing amendments upon application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the states (i.e., 34 of 50 states).
- Amendments proposed by Congress or convention become valid only when ratified by the legislatures of, or conventions in, three-fourths of the states (i.e., 38 of 50 states).
cancel2 2022
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And replace it with the greater tyranny of Californicators imposing their wokeness over all of the US.
cancel2 2022
Canceled
It's possible to have both. England has had both for about a century and a half (and much longer than that with freedom under the law, which is not the same thing as democracy). Early days yet, but it seems to work well
What is virtually impossible imo is to have something like Trump rising to the top in a parliamentary democracy. He would have to spend many years working his way through the House and Senate before he had a chance at the Presidency - and that's assuming his colleagues hadn't seen what he was by then.
You could get some not-so-good ones coming through, but not a Trump type. That isn't his game.
Regarding democracy, as Liz Truss pointed out to Ikea Starmer, the Conservatives are on their third woman prime minister.
Indeed of the four great offices of state, prime minister, chancellor of the exchequer, foreign and home secretaries, none are white men. Labour, by contrast, draws much of its shadow cabinet from North London seemingly.
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