god given rights

Dixie said:
This is typical of pinhead argument tactics. Make some absurd off-the-wall statement, then when challenged, throw up absurd off-the-wall examples to support the absurd off-the-wall statement.

People violate the rights of others all the time, it's why we have a justice system and courts. Some parents don't properly care for their children, that's why we have laws against child abuse. And yes, sometimes our own government usurps or otherwise violates our rights with 'martial law', but this is why we elect representatives and have democracy controlled by the people. None of these things serve to remove the rights we are all endowed by our Creator, which are inalienable.
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first, the rights extolled in the u s of a's constitution are granted by men to men - even though those rights are articulated, they have been abridged for all women and most blacks and other various groups at the will of the federal government and as such, may and have been abridged again

as such i speak of rights granted by men to men

god, depending on the god/goddess, give men certain rights and responsibilities, please note that such rights may be abrogated by other men or gods/goddesses

how can something be a 'right' if others may abrogate said 'right'

what right to life does a man drowning far out at sea have
 
Southern Man said:
Why is it an obligation of the secular federal government to feed someone's kid? In NC we've required that our State government provide for children's welfare, based on the fact that we are a Christian State. What justification does the federal government claim for this?
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rule of law

the u s of a is not a christian state
 
DonQuixote said:
first, the rights extolled in the u s of a's constitution are granted by men to men - even though those rights are articulated, they have been abridged for all women and most blacks and other various groups at the will of the federal government and as such, may and have been abridged again

as such i speak of rights granted by men to men

god, depending on the god/goddess, give men certain rights and responsibilities, please note that such rights may be abrogated by other men or gods/goddesses

how can something be a 'right' if others may abrogate said 'right'

what right to life does a man drowning far out at sea have
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You are dead wrong. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say where the rights articulated therein, are derived. However, the fundamental basis on which the Constitution was established in the first place, is the Declaration of Independence. That document establishes the basis of our rights and attributes them to endowment by our Creator. It is very important not to overlook the purpose and intent of the Declaration of Independence, and what it articulates, because it is the basis and foundation for the Constitution, and everything about our government to follow.

You can have all kinds of rights which might be abrogated by others, it doesn't negate the right itself. The absurd example of a man drowning at sea, is just that, an absurdity taken out of context to illustrate an absurd point. The government doesn't control the water at sea, nor does it control physics or what happens when someone drowns. When a right is "inalienable" it means it can't be alienated by the government because it is not granted by the government. Let's keep this conversation in context, okay?
 
uscitizen said:
Umm in the first part.
Shortly after We the people.
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That's called the Preamble. I'm assuming that you're referring to "general Welfare", and if so, what specific enumerated section does this refer to? It's important so we know the entire context.
 
Southern Man said:
That would be the Jews, wouldn't it? :pke:
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Joos, Christians, most "christian" preachers preach from both old and new testament.

Isn't Leviticus in the old testament? The one that Christians quote about homosex being a sin.
Seems like the ten commandements are there as well.
 
uscitizen said:
Joos, Christians, most "christian" preachers preach from both old and new testament.

Isn't Leviticus in the old testament? The one that Christians quote about homosex being a sin.
Seems like the ten commandements are there as well.
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I seem to recall a story about some long haired dude that called himself Jesus, who fulfilled Old Testament scriptures and became the new sacrifice.

I don't recall Him recalling sodomy though, sorry for you I guess.
 
Southern Man said:
I seem to recall a story about some long haired dude that called himself Jesus, who fulfilled Old Testament scriptures and became the new sacrifice.

I don't recall Him recalling sodomy though, sorry for you I guess.
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How do you know he had long hair?

Anyway Jesus the Christ was a Joo too.
The prophecy was for a warrior king to free them yet one more time from opression.
 
uscitizen said:
How do you know he had long hair?

Anyway Jesus the Christ was a Joo too.
The prophecy was for a warrior king to free them yet one more time from opression.
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It was the style back then; they were hippies.

Looks like the prophecy came true then.
 
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