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Don Quixote

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there are none

each of us has the right to do what ever we want...but society reserves the ability to punish us for any 'right' we execute

we all have the right to be 'dead' right
 
there are none

each of us has the right to do what ever we want...but society reserves the ability to punish us for any 'right' we execute

we all have the right to be 'dead' right

From laws and society it appears that only god or government is allowed to determine the time of our death.

That is is you believe in either of them.
 
there are none

each of us has the right to do what ever we want...but society reserves the ability to punish us for any 'right' we execute

we all have the right to be 'dead' right

Well, it's no surprise I have to disagree with you here. Prior to 1776, I would say your evaluation was largely correct, in context of how governments operated around the world, but in 1776, something pretty special happened.

A group of men we've come to know as the "Founding Fathers", sat down and penned a Declaration and Constitution. The declaration is important, because it presents the concept for the first time, that all men are created equal, and endowed by their Creator, certain inalienable rights. These were originally defined as "life, liberty, and property," but property was dropped due to slavery and the implication that man might be endowed by the Creator to own other humans, so it was changed to "pursuit of happiness" instead.

It is on this premise, the Constitution was based, and why America has stood as the beacon of freedom and liberty ever since. Knock it all you like, America has used this very principle to develop the most powerful economic and military entity ever known to mankind. The fact that you simply don't get it or understand it, is irrelevant.

Here is why it's so important to understand the founding principle... Because, without the concept that we are given certain inalienable rights at birth by our Creator, it means pretty much what you stated, that our rights come from other men who determine them for us. Under that concept, the Constitution becomes irrelevant. It is simply a document which can be manipulated by men, to mean whatever they want it to mean at the time.

Pinheads like yourself, continue to elect politicians who share your misconceptions, and think that government endows rights to men. These politicians continue to erode the founding principle, and subsequently usurp freedoms we are endowed with. This will eventually result in totalitarianism and turn us into the former Soviet Union. The basic founding principle is designed to prevent that, but when pinheads can't recognize or understand the importance of the founding principle, it becomes little more than words on an old piece of paper.

You are a moron because you wish to reject the founding principle, in favor of following a well-worn track to socialist dictatorship and oppression. Perhaps you don't understand socialist dictatorships any more than you understand the founding principles? I'm really not sure, but for some reason, you don't seem to be concerned you are following the same exact path as other great and powerful nations followed to their demise. The dust heap of history is full of failed dictatorial regimes, most of them were laid to rest by the US Military. Not because we had a stronger military, in many cases we simply didn't, it was the sheer motivation of liberty and freedom, and belief in the founding principles, which caused us to persevere. We will always persevere if we 'hold these truth's to be self evident.' It is when we lose understanding of the principles, and abandon our belief in them, we set ourselves up for certain failure.
 
A child born into poverty or an abusive family has the same rights as those born into better families?

If so how can one be against child welfare and medical care for children?
 
A child born into poverty or an abusive family has the same rights as those born into better families?

If so how can one be against child welfare and medical care for children?
How can you be for forcing someone else to pay for someone elses' rights?
 
How can you be for forcing someone else to pay for someone elses' rights?

the government that states this "fact/right" must bear the burden for their statement. If the government does no uphold it's statements is is worthless.

And the government is supposed to be all of us.
 
the government that states this "fact/right" must bear the burden for their statement. If the government does no uphold it's statements is is worthless.

And the government is supposed to be all of us.
Why must it bear the burden? Where is that written in the COTUS?
 
umm the government is required to uphold the constitution and all of it's laws as well.

I personally believe that we have NO natural or god given rights.
Now you're being obtuse. How is requiring someone to give you money, food or health care a Right?
 
Now you're being obtuse. How is requiring someone to give you money, food or health care a Right?

an obligation of the government not a right of those getting the assistance.
Is requiring that parents feed and care for their children a right? No it is an obligation.
Is it a right to defend our freedom? No it is our obligation.
 
an obligation of the government not a right of those getting the assistance.
Is requiring that parents feed and care for their children a right? No it is an obligation.
Is it a right to defend our freedom? No it is our obligation.
Why is it an obligation of the secular federal government to feed someone's kid? In NC we've required that our State government provide for children's welfare, based on the fact that we are a Christian State. What justification does the federal government claim for this?
 
How can you be for forcing someone else to pay for someone elses' rights?

i guess that this means that you are anti-democracy too

or should i say, oh forget it - either you choose to be a member of a community and share with others or you do not

or maybe you want to choose who you share with and who you do not

there are no rights save those that we give to each other

what rights did the japaneese americans have when they were interned

there are no rights if your government decides so...say under martial law
 
i guess that this means that you are anti-democracy too

or should i say, oh forget it - either you choose to be a member of a community and share with others or you do not

or maybe you want to choose who you share with and who you do not

there are no rights save those that we give to each other

what rights did the japaneese americans have when they were interned

there are no rights if your government decides so...say under martial law
I don't get your logic about why I would be anti-democratic. Anti-Democrat, yes, but not anti-democratic.
 
This is typical of pinhead argument tactics. Make some absurd off-the-wall statement, then when challenged, throw up absurd off-the-wall examples to support the absurd off-the-wall statement.

People violate the rights of others all the time, it's why we have a justice system and courts. Some parents don't properly care for their children, that's why we have laws against child abuse. And yes, sometimes our own government usurps or otherwise violates our rights with 'martial law', but this is why we elect representatives and have democracy controlled by the people. None of these things serve to remove the rights we are all endowed by our Creator, which are inalienable.
 
Why is it an obligation of the secular federal government to feed someone's kid? In NC we've required that our State government provide for children's welfare, based on the fact that we are a Christian State. What justification does the federal government claim for this?

Promote the general welfare.
 
This is typical of pinhead argument tactics. Make some absurd off-the-wall statement, then when challenged, throw up absurd off-the-wall examples to support the absurd off-the-wall statement.

People violate the rights of others all the time, it's why we have a justice system and courts. Some parents don't properly care for their children, that's why we have laws against child abuse. And yes, sometimes our own government usurps or otherwise violates our rights with 'martial law', but this is why we elect representatives and have democracy controlled by the people. None of these things serve to remove the rights we are all endowed by our Creator, which are inalienable.

Where does it say that in the bible?
The bible does however say to help the needy.
 
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