Global warming

Suppressing information does not make the opponent right, it simply makes the one suppressing the information wrong to do so. There is no evidence at ALL that supports AGW. None.

As Lorax stated, the two extremes have done such a good job clouding the issue that most people don't know what to believe anymore. Bottom line, they are both full of shit and trying to profit as much as they can from this. The actions they each prefer are detrimental to the well being of the population of this planet... for different reasons of course, but both are detrimental.

Again... link to your 'unprecedented' levels of natural disasters. Simply stating that does not make it so. Show us the data that suggests hurricanes, earth quakes, tsunamis, etc... are on your so called 'up swing'.

As far as pollution affecting ocean life etc... yes, that is a problem and one we need to address. But that does not mean we are 'warming the plan

OHHHHHH But when that information suppressed supports your beliefs you eat them up!!!:rolleyes:

Do you even watch the news? When I first got into politics. I was reading hundreds of articles a day and I have amassed quite the treasure trove of data. I do not speak unless I know I can back myself up 100%. I have indeed monitored a huge upswing in freak weather world wide. If I had the time I could post enough links to wallpaper your room with.

At least we concur that there is a problem with pollution. And that something must be done. It is a very urgent issue and one that needs to be addressed ASAP. With guys like you trying to shoot down the global warming phenomina? You are just supporting the very people that want to keep continuing to pollute.
 
OHHHHHH But when that information suppressed supports your beliefs you eat them up!!!:rolleyes:

what complete gibberish...

Do you even watch the news? When I first got into politics. I was reading hundreds of articles a day and I have amassed quite the treasure trove of data. I do not speak unless I know I can back myself up 100%. I have indeed monitored a huge upswing in freak weather world wide. If I had the time I could post enough links to wallpaper your room with.

THEN BACK IT UP MORON. You have spent quite a lot of time posting nonsense... back up your assertion with DATA.

At least we concur that there is a problem with pollution. And that something must be done. It is a very urgent issue and one that needs to be addressed ASAP. With guys like you trying to shoot down the global warming phenomina? You are just supporting the very people that want to keep continuing to pollute.

Actually, you are the one supporting the oil companies by continuing to propagate a myth. You are taking away the time, intellectual capacity and resources that could otherwise be used on the ACTUAL PROBLEM.
 
1) Yes you moron... cherry picking TWO countries, regardless of their size is indeed CHERRY PICKING. We are TALKING about GLOBAL WARMING. ON average the global temperatures are not rising and have not been rising for over a decade.

2) Stating a bunch of google searches and then telling others to go find the studies you are referring to is NOT supporting your position. LINK the actual studies here if they are so easy to google. Again... natural disasters have been occurring since the earth formed. Show us the DATA that demonstrates your assertion that they are at 'unprecedented' levels. Articles that simply blame 'global warming' are just nonsense if they don't have the data to support them.

3) Again, you have not supplied ANY DATA. Simply shouting...'go google' is not supporting your position.

1) Here is where you make yourself look silly. I am talking about both polar caps melting. Increased weather in the Northern Hempisphere, I supplied a lionk stating that the tropical belt is expanding and you still want to talk about global temperatures?lol What do you have in support of your belief? Its snowing in Texas?LMAO!!!!!

2)Natural disasters have quadrupled in two decades: study
12 minutes ago
More than four times the number of natural disasters are occurring now than did two decades ago, British charity Oxfam said in a study Sunday that largely blamed global warming.
"Oxfam... says that rising green house gas emissions are the major cause of weather-related disasters and must be tackled," the organisation said, adding that the world's poorest people were being hit the hardest.
The world suffered about 120 natural disasters per year in the early 1980s, which compared with the current figure of about 500 per year, according to the report.
"This year we have seen floods in South Asia, across the breadth of Africa and Mexico that have affected more than 250 million people," noted Oxfam director Barbara Stocking.
"This is no freak year. It follows a pattern of more frequent, more erratic, more unpredictable and more extreme weather events that are affecting more people."
She added: "Action is needed now to prepare for more disasters otherwise humanitarian assistance will be overwhelmed and recent advances in human development will go into reverse."
The number of people affected by extreme natural disasters, meanwhile, has surged by almost 70 percent, from 174 million a year between 1985 to 1994, to 254 million people a year between 1995 to 2004, Oxfam said.
Floods and wind-storms have increased from 60 events in 1980 to 240 last year, with flooding itself up six-fold.
But the number of geothermal events, such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, has barely changed.
Oxfam urged Western governments to push hard for a deal on climate change at a key international meeting that runs December 3-14 on the Indonesian island of Bali.
Rich Western nations and the United Nations must act to "make humanitarian aid faster, fairer and more flexible and to improve ways to prepare for and reduce the risk of disasters," it said.
The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change conference in Bali aims to see countries agree to launch a roadmap for negotiating cuts in climate-changing carbon emissions from 2012.
The Oxfam study was compiled using data from the Red Cross, the United Nations and specialist researchers at Louvain University in Belgium.
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3) WOW! Talk about ignorant! I supply links and all it takes is the click of a few buttons and he supplies absolutrly nothing but his opinion backed by nothing and he criticises me? Its clear you have been eaten alive in this debate. Carry on. :tongout:
 
I have articles stating how Pro-GW Scientists have had their data silenced and they have this one little incident that I believe was a set up!HMMMMMMMMM I wonder who is behind this set up....

ExxonMobil has spent at least $8 million dollars funding a network of groups to challenge the existence of global warming.

The scientists supporting global warming FAR exceed the na-sayers.

April 24, 2009
Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate
By ANDREW C. REVKIN

For more than a decade the Global Climate Coalition, a group representing industries with profits tied to fossil fuels, led an aggressive lobbying and public relations campaign against the idea that emissions of heat-trapping gases could lead to global warming.

An another.

Exxon Mobil accused of misleading public
By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press WriterWed Sep 20, 8:36 PM ET
Britain's leading scientific academy has accused oil company Exxon Mobil Corp. of misleading the public about global warming and funding groups that undermine the scientific consensus on climate change.

And another.

ExxonMobil Disinformation Campaign On Global Warming Science


by Staff Writers
Washington DC (SPX) Jan 05, 2007
A new report from the Union of Concerned Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry's disinformation tactics, as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the issue. According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science.

And another
White House said to bar hurricane report


So keep on holding on to your ONLY STRAW.LOL
 
1) Here is where you make yourself look silly. I am talking about both polar caps melting. Increased weather in the Northern Hempisphere, I supplied a lionk stating that the tropical belt is expanding and you still want to talk about global temperatures?lol What do you have in support of your belief? Its snowing in Texas?LMAO!!!!!

Listen idiot... ALL you are doing is TALKING. You continue to say you are posting links... yet you have not done so. Stories written in newspapers about the doom and gloom exist. We all know the fear mongers have been busy. Now show the DATA that supports their claims.

2)Natural disasters have quadrupled in two decades: study
12 minutes ago
More than four times the number of natural disasters are occurring now than did two decades ago, British charity Oxfam said in a study Sunday that largely blamed global warming.
"Oxfam... says that rising green house gas emissions are the major cause of weather-related disasters and must be tackled," the organisation said, adding that the world's poorest people were being hit the hardest.
The world suffered about 120 natural disasters per year in the early 1980s, which compared with the current figure of about 500 per year, according to the report.
"This year we have seen floods in South Asia, across the breadth of Africa and Mexico that have affected more than 250 million people," noted Oxfam director Barbara Stocking.
"This is no freak year. It follows a pattern of more frequent, more erratic, more unpredictable and more extreme weather events that are affecting more people."
She added: "Action is needed now to prepare for more disasters otherwise humanitarian assistance will be overwhelmed and recent advances in human development will go into reverse."
The number of people affected by extreme natural disasters, meanwhile, has surged by almost 70 percent, from 174 million a year between 1985 to 1994, to 254 million people a year between 1995 to 2004, Oxfam said.
Floods and wind-storms have increased from 60 events in 1980 to 240 last year, with flooding itself up six-fold.
But the number of geothermal events, such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, has barely changed.
Oxfam urged Western governments to push hard for a deal on climate change at a key international meeting that runs December 3-14 on the Indonesian island of Bali.
Rich Western nations and the United Nations must act to "make humanitarian aid faster, fairer and more flexible and to improve ways to prepare for and reduce the risk of disasters," it said.
The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change conference in Bali aims to see countries agree to launch a roadmap for negotiating cuts in climate-changing carbon emissions from 2012.
The Oxfam study was compiled using data from the Red Cross, the United Nations and specialist researchers at Louvain University in Belgium.
Copyright © 2007 Agence France Presse <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/afp/SIG=122dhv7qk/**http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afp.com%2Fenglish%2Flinks%2F%3Fpid%3Dcopyright>. All rights reserved

Try posting those links again, they do not work as is.

3) WOW! Talk about ignorant! I supply links and all it takes is the click of a few buttons and he supplies absolutrly nothing but his opinion backed by nothing and he criticises me? Its clear you have been eaten alive in this debate. Carry on. :tongout:

So what you are saying is that you are going to pretend you have provided DATA, when in reality you have only provided 'google searches' and links that do not work. Simply referring to articles that say the sky is falling is not EVIDENCE OR DATA. It is the very fear mongering I am referring to.
 
Listen idiot... ALL you are doing is TALKING. You continue to say you are posting links... yet you have not done so. Stories written in newspapers about the doom and gloom exist. We all know the fear mongers have been busy. Now show the DATA that supports their claims.

Talk about being an idiot!lol I posted titles for you too google and your still stupid as sin. I am supporting my beliefs. It is you that have posted absolutly nothing and anyone with eyes can plainly see.:)




Try posting those links again, they do not work as is.

Do you seriously have a vision impairment? Or is it a reading? I posted the entire article like you requested. The rest are not links but titles you have to google. Ask me which one you want me to post!:readit:



So what you are saying is that you are going to pretend you have provided DATA, when in reality you have only provided 'google searches' and links that do not work. Simply referring to articles that say the sky is falling is not EVIDENCE OR DATA. It is the very fear mongering I am referring to.

LOL. Give up. You have clearly been pounded to a pulp in this debate.:lol:

I supplied world wide facts, articles, titles, and you supplied absolutrly ZERO.
 
Talk about being an idiot!lol I posted titles for you too google and your still stupid as sin. I am supporting my beliefs. It is you that have posted absolutly nothing and anyone with eyes can plainly see.:)






Do you seriously have a vision impairment? Or is it a reading? I posted the entire article like you requested. The rest are not links but titles you have to google. Ask me which one you want me to post!:readit:





LOL. Give up. You have clearly been pounded to a pulp in this debate.:lol:

I supplied world wide facts, articles, titles, and you supplied absolutrly ZERO.
Post links, not "titles to google", it is your assertion you get to back it up. You have provided nothing at all.
 
LOL. Like I said. I have articles about governments world wide suppressing information that even YOU acknowledge. Simply because they KNOW that they are contributing to Global Warming.

And you still insist that we are not contributing. Talk about contradicting yourself!!!

All you have is ONE falsified data( the only leg you have to stand on) that I believe was planted to support your beliefs.

I have Scientists all over the world, actual worldwide natural disasters on an upswing that can't be denied. Unprecidented behaviour with ocean life and you just continue to keep your head in the sand. Go back to sleep.



We're coming to get you. :hide:
 
Wow... look at this... a very common tactic of the fear mongering global warming liars...

When in doubt... pretend it is the 'evil big oil' behind the release.

Of course the timing was to get the most press. That is how you get the story out there to the public. You want it fresh in peoples minds as they are about to be inundated with all the fear mongering bullshit.

Turns out it was actually the evil Russians.
 
Post links, not "titles to google", it is your assertion you get to back it up. You have provided nothing at all.

No problem. Some boards have a policy against posting too many articles and links. Are you giving me the green light? :good4u:

Though I did provide links. I provided little tidbits of articles and I also posted an entire article. I would hardly call that nothing. I asked him what he would like me to verify and I will post the link. All of them, if I have the permission and then some.
 
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No problem. Some boards have a policy against posting too many articles and links. Are you giving me the green light? :good4u:

Though I did provide links. I provided little tidbits of articles and I also posted an entire article. I would hardly call that nothing. I asked him what he would like me to verify and I will post the link. All of them, if I have the permission and then some.
We like links here. Pretty much just like you posted previously, not the full article, and always give credit where it is due to the original author. Usually what we do is post a few paragraphs of the article and then the link... a teaser... and we let the link provide the credit to the original author. Link away, if you have supporting evidence for your assertions we'd love to see it.
 
Talk about being an idiot!lol I posted titles for you too google and your still stupid as sin. I am supporting my beliefs. It is you that have posted absolutly nothing and anyone with eyes can plainly see.:)

Posting 'titles for me to google' is not supporting your beliefs. You are placing the burden of the research on your opponent. That is pathetic. As you are likely aware, if I do a google search I am likely to get thousands of responses (like you do for almost any google search). Rather than continually saying 'you google it' how about you actually just simply LINK us to whatever data it is you are using???

Do you seriously have a vision impairment? Or is it a reading? I posted the entire article like you requested. The rest are not links but titles you have to google. Ask me which one you want me to post!:readit:

again... posting an article does not provide evidence. It simply shows an author who is of the same opinion as you. POST THE LINK TO THE DATA. THE DATA. THE DATA. Maybe with the repetition you will actually comprehend it this time.


LOL. Give up. You have clearly been pounded to a pulp in this debate.:lol:

I supplied world wide facts, articles, titles, and you supplied absolutrly ZERO.

Let me guess... in reality you are CK... because the only thing clear on this thread is that you continually duck providing any data to support your assertions.
 
Posting 'titles for me to google' is not supporting your beliefs. You are placing the burden of the research on your opponent. That is pathetic. As you are likely aware, if I do a google search I am likely to get thousands of responses (like you do for almost any google search). Rather than continually saying 'you google it' how about you actually just simply LINK us to whatever data it is you are using???



again... posting an article does not provide evidence. It simply shows an author who is of the same opinion as you. POST THE LINK TO THE DATA. THE DATA. THE DATA. Maybe with the repetition you will actually comprehend it this time.



Let me guess... in reality you are CK... because the only thing clear on this thread is that you continually duck providing any data to support your assertions.


CK??

Actually I did post teasers. All you had to do was google them and they would pop up.

OK. Lets see.....When I was starting to collect data? I used links but then the link would say page not found. Then I started collecting actual pages but then I had a hard time finding links. Then I collected articles, plus the link. Therefore I have alot of articles without links supporting my arguments.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2005-09-15-globalwarming-hurricanes_x.htm

See? I cant find the link to this one. So I will post the entire article.

Experts: Global warming behind 2005 hurricanes

MONTEREY, California (Reuters) -- The record Atlantic hurricane season last year can be attributed to global warming, several top experts, including a leading U.S. government storm researcher, said on Monday.

"The hurricanes we are seeing are indeed a direct result of climate change and it's no longer something we'll see in the future, it's happening now," said Greg Holland, a division director at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.

Holland told a packed hall at the American Meteorological Society's 27th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology that the wind and warmer water conditions that fuel storms that form in the Caribbean are "increasingly due to greenhouse gases. There seems to be no other conclusion you can logically draw."

His conclusion will be debated throughout the week-long conference, as other researchers present opposing papers that say changing wind and temperature conditions in the tropics are due to natural events, not the accumulation of carbon dioxide emissions clouding the Earth.

Many of the experts gathered in the coastal city of Monterey, California, are federal employees. The Bush administration contends global warming is an unproven theory.

While many of the conference's 500 scientists seem to agree that a warming trend in the tropics is causing more and stronger hurricanes than usual, not all agree that global warming is to blame.

Some, like William Gray, a veteran hurricane researcher at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado, attributed the warming to natural cycles.

Gray said he believes salinity buildups and movements with ocean currents cause warming and cooling cycles. He predicted the Caribbean water will continue to warm for another five to 10 years, then start cooling.
More warming to come

Whatever the cause, computer projections indicate the warming to date -- about one degree Fahrenheit (half a degree Celsius) in tropical water -- is "the tip of the iceberg" and the water will warm three to four times as much in the next century, said Thomas Knutson, explaining projections from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Princeton, New Jersey.

Adam Lea, a postdoctoral student at Britain's University College London in Dorking, Surrey, presented research based on British, German, Russian and Canadian studies that concludes half of the increased hurricane activity in the tropics could be attributed to global warming.

Holland, director of the Mesoscale and Microscale Meteorology Division of the federal research center, said tropical storm anomalies in the 1940s and 1950s can be explained by natural variability.

But he said carbon dioxide started changing traceable patterns in the 1970s and by the early 1990s, the atmospheric results were affecting the storm numbers and intensities.

"What we're seeing right now in global climate temperature is a signature of climate change," said Holland, a native of Australia. "The large bulk of the scientific community say what we are seeing now is linked directly to greenhouse gases."

Hurricane Katrina, which tore onto the Louisiana and Mississippi coasts on August 29, was the deadliest Atlantic hurricane in 77 years and the costliest ever, with property damages estimated at $75 billion.

This year, the weather service's Tropical Prediction Center expects more hurricanes than usual, but not as many as last year's record 14.

Copyright 2006 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed

Here is another. I will post all of them if you like.

China sees warming behind extreme weather
Costs are recognized, but nation won't put mandatory cap on emissions
Reuters

Updated: 12:43 a.m. ET Aug 29, 2006

BEIJING - Storms, floods, heat and drought that have killed more than 2,000 people in China this year are a prelude to weather patterns likely to become more extreme due to global warming, according to the director of the Beijing Climate Center.

China was braced for further hardship as rising temperatures worldwide trigger increasingly extreme weather, Dong Wenjie, director-general of the climate center, said.

“The precise causes of these phenomena aren’t easy to determine on their own,” Dong told Reuters of meteorological disasters that have caused $20 billion worth of damage this year. “But we know the broad background is global warming. That’s clear. It’s a reminder that global warming will bring about increasingly extreme weather events more often.”

A study issued by China’s chief climate scientists last year predicted that mean temperatures across China were likely to climb, forcing major changes in rainfall, desertification, river flows and crop production.

Yet even as China approaches the United States as the world’s largest producer of the manmade greenhouse gases that trap heat in the atmosphere, Beijing is set against mandatory ceilings on its emissions, experts said.

“China’s preoccupation is economic development and growth,” said Paul Harris, of Lingnan University in Hong Kong, who studies climate change policy. “It seems Chinese policy-makers are beginning to take warnings about global warming on board. But they certainly don’t want to sign on to compulsory caps.”

Global warming may increase rainfall in China’s north, but increased temperatures and evaporation there are likely to offset much or all of that, Lin Erda, a climate expert at the Chinese Academy of Agricultural Sciences, told Reuters.

Drop in farm output likely
Without corrective action, nationwide agricultural production was likely to fall between 5 and 10 percent, he said.

With its vast and arid western half, China is no stranger to drought. But, unusually, this year’s extreme heat and dry had struck the geographical basin enclosing Sichuan province and Chongqing municipality, said Dong.

Until now, that area has experienced a slight fall in average temperatures over past decades, possibly due to a protective umbrella of pollution or clouds.

But this year much of Sichuan and Chongqing has suffered record-breaking hot days and the lowest rainfall for nearly 60 years, and on Sunday Sichuan forecast another burst of 100 degree Fahrenheit days and withering drought.

Whether this shift was a one-off or augured a long-term change remained to be seen, said Dong. Part of the explanation appeared to lie in shrinking snow cover on the neighboring Tibet-Qinghai plateau, he said.

But even as China feels the effects of global warming, it is unwilling to cap its greenhouse gas emissions, saying responsibility for tackling global warmings lies with developed countries that are -- per capita -- still much bigger polluters.

China is a signatory to the Kyoto Protocol, the international treaty intended to rein in greenhouse gas emissions. But as a developing country, China is exempt, for now, from the limits on greenhouse emissions that wealthy countries are supposed to abide by.

“We’re willing to limit and transform industry and our energy structure by ourselves,” Dong said. “But as a matter of fairness, it has to be voluntary, not mandatory, because we’re a developing country.”
Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14571193/
© 2006 MSNBC.com
 
CK??

Actually I did post teasers. All you had to do was google them and they would pop up.

and AGAIN... all you had to do was post the links rather than put the burden of the search and finding the articles you were referring to on your opponent.

OK. Lets see.....When I was starting to collect data? I used links but then the link would say page not found. Then I started collecting actual pages but then I had a hard time finding links. Then I collected articles, plus the link. Therefore I have alot of articles without links supporting my arguments.

So YOU had all these problems with finding links using the google search and yet you still pretend all 'I had to do was google your search terms' and somehow I would magically find all the links you wanted others to read?????

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2005-09-15-globalwarming-hurricanes_x.htm

See? I cant find the link to this one. So I will post the entire article.

Experts: Global warming behind 2005 hurricanes

MONTEREY, California (Reuters) -- The record Atlantic hurricane season last year can be attributed to global warming, several top experts, including a leading U.S. government storm researcher, said on Monday.

"The hurricanes we are seeing are indeed a direct result of climate change and it's no longer something we'll see in the future, it's happening now," said Greg Holland, a division director at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.

Holland told a packed hall at the American Meteorological Society's 27th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology that the wind and warmer water conditions that fuel storms that form in the Caribbean are "increasingly due to greenhouse gases. There seems to be no other conclusion you can logically draw."

His conclusion will be debated throughout the week-long conference, as other researchers present opposing papers that say changing wind and temperature conditions in the tropics are due to natural events, not the accumulation of carbon dioxide emissions clouding the Earth.

Many of the experts gathered in the coastal city of Monterey, California, are federal employees. The Bush administration contends global warming is an unproven theory.

While many of the conference's 500 scientists seem to agree that a warming trend in the tropics is causing more and stronger hurricanes than usual, not all agree that global warming is to blame.

Some, like William Gray, a veteran hurricane researcher at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado, attributed the warming to natural cycles.

Gray said he believes salinity buildups and movements with ocean currents cause warming and cooling cycles. He predicted the Caribbean water will continue to warm for another five to 10 years, then start cooling.
More warming to come

Whatever the cause, computer projections indicate the warming to date -- about one degree Fahrenheit (half a degree Celsius) in tropical water -- is "the tip of the iceberg" and the water will warm three to four times as much in the next century, said Thomas Knutson, explaining projections from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Princeton, New Jersey.

Adam Lea, a postdoctoral student at Britain's University College London in Dorking, Surrey, presented research based on British, German, Russian and Canadian studies that concludes half of the increased hurricane activity in the tropics could be attributed to global warming.

Holland, director of the Mesoscale and Microscale Meteorology Division of the federal research center, said tropical storm anomalies in the 1940s and 1950s can be explained by natural variability.

But he said carbon dioxide started changing traceable patterns in the 1970s and by the early 1990s, the atmospheric results were affecting the storm numbers and intensities.

"What we're seeing right now in global climate temperature is a signature of climate change," said Holland, a native of Australia. "The large bulk of the scientific community say what we are seeing now is linked directly to greenhouse gases."

Hurricane Katrina, which tore onto the Louisiana and Mississippi coasts on August 29, was the deadliest Atlantic hurricane in 77 years and the costliest ever, with property damages estimated at $75 billion.

This year, the weather service's Tropical Prediction Center expects more hurricanes than usual, but not as many as last year's record 14.

Copyright 2006 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed

So in your first article we learn that scientists disagree on the cause. The fear mongers want to continue to blame weather patterns on global warming (despite the FACT that warming has not continued)

Here is another. I will post all of them if you like.

China sees warming behind extreme weather
Costs are recognized, but nation won't put mandatory cap on emissions
Reuters

Updated: 12:43 a.m. ET Aug 29, 2006

BEIJING - Storms, floods, heat and drought that have killed more than 2,000 people in China this year are a prelude to weather patterns likely to become more extreme due to global warming, according to the director of the Beijing Climate Center.

China was braced for further hardship as rising temperatures worldwide trigger increasingly extreme weather, Dong Wenjie, director-general of the climate center, said.

“The precise causes of these phenomena aren’t easy to determine on their own,” Dong told Reuters of meteorological disasters that have caused $20 billion worth of damage this year. “But we know the broad background is global warming. That’s clear. It’s a reminder that global warming will bring about increasingly extreme weather events more often.”

A study issued by China’s chief climate scientists last year predicted that mean temperatures across China were likely to climb, forcing major changes in rainfall, desertification, river flows and crop production.

Yet even as China approaches the United States as the world’s largest producer of the manmade greenhouse gases that trap heat in the atmosphere, Beijing is set against mandatory ceilings on its emissions, experts said.

“China’s preoccupation is economic development and growth,” said Paul Harris, of Lingnan University in Hong Kong, who studies climate change policy. “It seems Chinese policy-makers are beginning to take warnings about global warming on board. But they certainly don’t want to sign on to compulsory caps.”

Global warming may increase rainfall in China’s north, but increased temperatures and evaporation there are likely to offset much or all of that, Lin Erda, a climate expert at the Chinese Academy of Agricultural Sciences, told Reuters.

Drop in farm output likely
Without corrective action, nationwide agricultural production was likely to fall between 5 and 10 percent, he said.

With its vast and arid western half, China is no stranger to drought. But, unusually, this year’s extreme heat and dry had struck the geographical basin enclosing Sichuan province and Chongqing municipality, said Dong.

Until now, that area has experienced a slight fall in average temperatures over past decades, possibly due to a protective umbrella of pollution or clouds.

But this year much of Sichuan and Chongqing has suffered record-breaking hot days and the lowest rainfall for nearly 60 years, and on Sunday Sichuan forecast another burst of 100 degree Fahrenheit days and withering drought.

Whether this shift was a one-off or augured a long-term change remained to be seen, said Dong. Part of the explanation appeared to lie in shrinking snow cover on the neighboring Tibet-Qinghai plateau, he said.

But even as China feels the effects of global warming, it is unwilling to cap its greenhouse gas emissions, saying responsibility for tackling global warmings lies with developed countries that are -- per capita -- still much bigger polluters.

China is a signatory to the Kyoto Protocol, the international treaty intended to rein in greenhouse gas emissions. But as a developing country, China is exempt, for now, from the limits on greenhouse emissions that wealthy countries are supposed to abide by.

“We’re willing to limit and transform industry and our energy structure by ourselves,” Dong said. “But as a matter of fairness, it has to be voluntary, not mandatory, because we’re a developing country.”
Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14571193/
© 2006 MSNBC.com

The second article gives a lot of guessing.... so tell us... since this article was written in 2006. How much of their guessing actually came true????
 
and AGAIN... all you had to do was post the links rather than put the burden of the search and finding the articles you were referring to on your opponent.



So YOU had all these problems with finding links using the google search and yet you still pretend all 'I had to do was google your search terms' and somehow I would magically find all the links you wanted others to read?????

Its not hard when I give you a title and paragraph to google. The links themselves disappeared but fortunately most articles are republished by other media sources and can be found on other sites.



So in your first article we learn that scientists disagree on the cause. The fear mongers want to continue to blame weather patterns on global warming (despite the FACT that warming has not continued)

Talk about using sentences out of context!!!

First of all, it says that the majority believe in global warming, then it singled out 1 person that disagreed and the other 2 you highlighted support global warming.

Here is what you highlighted.

"Holland, director of the Mesoscale and Microscale Meteorology Division of the federal research center, said tropical storm anomalies in the 1940s and 1950s can be explained by natural variability."

Now lets read it in context.

But he said carbon dioxide started changing traceable patterns in the 1970s and by the early 1990s, the atmospheric results were affecting the storm numbers and intensities.

"What we're seeing right now in global climate temperature is a signature of climate change," said Holland, a native of Australia. "The large bulk of the scientific community say what we are seeing now is linked directly to greenhouse gases."



The second article gives a lot of guessing.... so tell us... since this article was written in 2006. How much of their guessing actually came true????


I see you have selective reading.LOL

Basically both articles state that global warming is occuring and causing extreme weather. And the source is greenhouse gases. This is the third article I posted.

Yet all someone has to do is post a link about falsified emails and you eat it all up, or the fact that it snowed in Texas!:rofl:

By the way? Did you hear about the new update on the emails? The information was not falsified. What they did was they used a loose formula to calculate. Thou the majority of Scientists concur that global warming IS caused by greenhouse gases AND that the planet's average temperature is on the rise. I believe by a degree or so.

I posted MANY teaser articles on how big industry is financing the skeptic scientists and manipulating scientific data. You have one claim of falsified emails and you jump all over it.

Is there any other articles you would like me to post in regards to my claims? Be specific please.
 
this is really funny shit, anything negative can be linked to global warming.
How about the record low number of Hurricanes this year, GW is over. Yeah
 
this is really funny shit, anything negative can be linked to global warming.
How about the record low number of Hurricanes this year, GW is over. Yeah

Seeing that we are in a recession and production is slowing down(thus pollution) can be part of it, but wait this year because of the world wide stimulous packages.

I have a feeling that this year is going to be bad for hurricanes and/or natural disasters.
 
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