Germany giving up on Nuclear power

[charver]

Also they're the largest wind users. Still accounts for less then 10% of their total power production. France, Europes largest nuclear energy user, interestingly has the CHEAPEST energy costs and lowest pollution levels in Europe. Of couse they allow their nuclear waste to be reclaimed, which drops output of waste 95%. We don't allow that process here in Americq, because fuck you that's why.

It is also French nuclear which will likely be the main source of energy to meet Germany's shortfall in electricity production, while they argue about whether to build more fossil fuel burning power plants or 'go green' requiring a massive restructuring of their electricity supply grid.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

It is also French nuclear which will likely be the main source of energy to meet Germany's shortfall in electricity production, while they argue about whether to build more fossil fuel burning power plants or 'go green' requiring a massive restructuring of their electricity supply grid.

If the French are so willing. Apparently they're a bit up tight about giving things to non French.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Beware The Battle-Cattle
Also they're the largest wind users. Still accounts for less then 10% of their total power production. France, Europes largest nuclear energy user, interestingly has the CHEAPEST energy costs and lowest pollution levels in Europe. Of couse they allow their nuclear waste to be reclaimed, which drops output of waste 95%. We don't allow that process here in Americq, because fuck you that's why.

It is also French nuclear which will likely be the main source of energy to meet Germany's shortfall in electricity production, while they argue about whether to build more fossil fuel burning power plants or 'go green' requiring a massive restructuring of their electricity supply grid.

And here's where the bubble bursts on the myth of France's "cheap" nuclear energy


the energy company EdF presumed that the state holds the current low prices. Sarkozy fears a debate about rising prices in the election campaign. Nuclear power opponents feel vindicated. By Christian Schubert, Paris

..... the CEA has received 1946-1992 subsidies of 308 billion francs (about 51 billion euros) for civilian nuclear research. The nuclear industry was given the research findings presented largely free, built the power plants and wrote it off over the years. EdF has, however, point out that the company today with a budget of 486 million euros, a substantial research effort self-financing. EdF support, conversely, the CEA and other institutions such as the international Materials Aging Institute, says a company spokeswoman.

http://economicsnewspaper.com/polic...ench-nuclear-power-is-not-so-cheap-15474.html

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

And here's where the bubble bursts on the myth of France's "cheap" nuclear energy


the energy company EdF presumed that the state holds the current low prices. Sarkozy fears a debate about rising prices in the election campaign. Nuclear power opponents feel vindicated. By Christian Schubert, Paris

..... the CEA has received 1946-1992 subsidies of 308 billion francs (about 51 billion euros) for civilian nuclear research. The nuclear industry was given the research findings presented largely free, built the power plants and wrote it off over the years. EdF has, however, point out that the company today with a budget of 486 million euros, a substantial research effort self-financing. EdF support, conversely, the CEA and other institutions such as the international Materials Aging Institute, says a company spokeswoman.

http://economicsnewspaper.com/polic...ench-nuclear-power-is-not-so-cheap-15474.html

So the French government paid for a lot of nuclear research? While this certainly would have saved private companies from doing so, its not likely to have a significant impact on the actual cost per Kwh.

EDIT: Missed the part about increase in waste costs. While this would bring cost more in line with fossil fuels, the fact that much nuclear waste (95%) can be reclaimed for use as a power source hasn't been factored in their equation.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And here's where the bubble bursts on the myth of France's "cheap" nuclear energy


the energy company EdF presumed that the state holds the current low prices. Sarkozy fears a debate about rising prices in the election campaign. Nuclear power opponents feel vindicated. By Christian Schubert, Paris

..... the CEA has received 1946-1992 subsidies of 308 billion francs (about 51 billion euros) for civilian nuclear research. The nuclear industry was given the research findings presented largely free, built the power plants and wrote it off over the years. EdF has, however, point out that the company today with a budget of 486 million euros, a substantial research effort self-financing. EdF support, conversely, the CEA and other institutions such as the international Materials Aging Institute, says a company spokeswoman.

http://economicsnewspaper.com/policy...eap-15474.html

So the French government paid for a lot of nuclear research? While this certainly would have saved private companies from doing so, its not likely to have a significant impact on the actual cost per Kwh.


Go back and read the entire article. The French gov't heavily SUBSIDIZES it's nuclear power.....which means that left to their own devices, the private companies would have to charge whopping rates to cover their operating costs from top to bottom. Small wonder the French have such a high tax rate.
EDIT: Missed the part about increase in waste costs. While this would bring cost more in line with fossil fuels, the fact that much nuclear waste (95%) can be reclaimed for use as a power source hasn't been factored in their equation.

Again, another fallacy....factor in the actual cost of nuke waste recycling/reclamation.

 

[cancel2 2022]

If its a choice between CO2 and Radiation I will take the CO2 though I would prefer neither, like solar and wind power that are clean energy.

You might as well opt for lentil and soya bean fuelled power stations, it is just about as rational as your suggestion.

 

[katsung47]

671. Climate weapon (5/31/2011)

In last article, I talked about the Feds planned a case in week-ends (5/21-5/22). They arranged a sudden trip for my wife on that week -ends. There were some events I think was part in their plot.

1. 5/21, Saturday, the Judgment day that the evangelical broadcaster Harold Camping had declared.

2. 5/21, an Icelandic volcano erupted. It spews ash and soot into the air. It was the volcano's largest eruption in 100 years. Some European countries halted the air flights.

3. 5/21. A magnitude 3.6 earthquake shook San Francisco Bay Area. There had been no reports of damages or injuries.

4. 5/22. A massive tornado attacked Joplin, killed more than one hundred people. It was an EF-5, the strongest rating assigned to tornadoes and also was the deadliest single twister since the weather service began keeping official records in 1950.

Feds like to play the role of God. It seems they prefer to use evangelists to reach their goal. If you remember another evangelical broadcaster Pat Robertson who had predicted that Lord told him Bush would be elected President twice in an overwhelming victory. It was a typical story how Feds used religion and superstition to cover up a rigged election. Since modern technique can alter weather and set off natural disaster such like volcano eruption and earthquake, it's more frequently for the Feds to guise these artificial disaster in the name of Mother Nature.

That's why we saw earthquake, volcano eruption and tornado in 5/21 and 5/22. If the 5/21 framed case had gone through successfully, I believe the S.F. Bay Area earthquake and Iceland volcano eruption would develop to a very big one (to the level of 3/11 Fukushima earthquake), plus that strongest-ever tornado, would have made the world a dooms day like end times. It's what the Feds want - distract. Some believers of the "Rapture" even had spent all their savings before the "judgment day", what else would they care?

As for that strongest tornado, I believe it was Pentagon's work. They took time to test their climate weapon. Try to promote it to a weapon that can destroy as much as they can.

Europe's economic powerhouse, Germany, announced plans yesterday (5/30) to abandon nuclear energy over the next 11 years, in the wake of Japan's Fukushima disaster. It is an abrupt turn for Germany because just five months ago, it pushed through a plan to extend the life span of the country's nuclear reactors.

Why it's Germany, not Britain, French, Belgian, Holland ....?

My interpretation: German, as well as Japan, is a defeated country in World War ll. Both are still under occupation of US troops. When Germany realizes US is using climate weapon and they could be the same extortion target like Japan. They choose to abandon the nuclear energy to keep their sovereignty.

A news two years ago has reported the intention to extort Japan with HAARP caused earthquake. At that time, the news might be viewed as crazy for some people. When the 3/11 earthquake took place, that news has been proved true. Now it’s for Iran war – to wage a public panic on coming “dirty bomb attack”.

Western Bankers Threatened Japan with HAARP Eco-Destruction a Year Before China Quakes
Tuesday, June 3 (2008)

Constructed by the US Navy and Army in Alaska's bush country during the early 80s, the Pentagon's widely acknowledged high-tech "sky zapper" also can rattle the earth's substructure. But while the Defense Department acknowledges the program's existence, officials are keeping the "Pandora’s box" that is HAARP--High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program--classified.

Formerly a well-traveled Far East correspondent for Forbes magazine, Fulford, fluent in Japanese, is hosting What is This?, his weekly podcast from Tokyo, and alleges "Hazel" Takana, Japan's finance minister, told him in 2007 "a group of American and European oligarchs" threatened to strike the country with manufactured earthquakes unless he ceded control of the Japanese banking system.

http://milkhouse-mouse.blogspot.com/2008/06/western-bankers-threatened-japan-with.html

 

[moe1990]

The one thing I hate about the Green party. But obviously nuclear power is pretty much dead in Germany if they continue to be the second largest party - a right-wing coalition can re-legalize nuclear power all it wants, but the Greens will undoubtedly get elected again at some point in the future and put a stop to it. No company is going to invest in such an environment. Luckily, they are willing to heavily invest in other kinds of clean power, so it's not as important there as it is here, where costs are everything.

the greens are not the second largest party in germany. yes 1 poll out of 7 major ones ranks them at 2nd with 26%, but remember that we are 2 years away from elections, current events have a large impact on the polls, and that the green party has no stance to any other political issues than the environment, making them unlikely to be anything other than a minor partner in any coalition.

as to germany getting off nuclear power, i think its great that theyre making the move. its complete nonsense to use anything this dangerous, however unlikely that danger is. will it be expensive? you bet. will it cause other problems? oh definitely. but i really think that this is the best path for them, and really for anyone. germany's current state of clean energy production and use is just icing on the cake. this issue isnt about whether or not it will be green energy, but that it isnt going to be nuclear.

 

[katsung47]

672. E-coli, a bio attack (6/10/2011)

Though Germany try to avoid artificial nuclear disaster attack by abandoning the nuclear power, it can't escape from a bio attack. There is a wide E-coli outbreak in Europe which is considered the third largest in recent world history and maybe the deadliest.

There is no doubt the target is the German. Though nine European contries were hit, virtually all the sick people either live in Germany or recently traveled there.

The new deadly E-coli is a laboratory product. The anti-biotic bacteria used to fit one medicine to develop its immune then to fit another. How could it suddenly become a multi-anti-biotic bacteria.

It's never been seen before.

It is immune to eight different classes of antibiotics.

This means the original strain was exposed to eight different strains seqeuntially with each immune strain being exposed to the next drug until immunity was developed to that.

This only happens in laboratories.

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=137311;title=APFN

It's a bio-attack so people can't find the natural source. Secret agents can go here and there, from market to restaurant and spread the bacteria on cucumber or spruce or other vegetables. Media discorage such an effort:

E.coli source may remain a mystery
By E. Rising and M. Stobbe (A.P.) 6/2/2011

Patients said they ate lettuce, tomatoes or cucumbers, but oficials testing produce across the continent have yet to find any vegetables with the particular strain involved.

They might never find the cause of the outbreak. "

(San Jose Mercury News)

That is very true. They can never find the natural cause of the outbreak because it is an artificial bio attack.

In my thread "BP Gulf oil spill is sabotage", I said it was an extortion on Great Britain. The oil spill started in April 2010, lasted for months, maintain a pressure on Britain. It only stopped leaking when Queen Elizabeth and Prime Minister Cameron paid a visit to Washington to compromise with a secret deal.

The E-coli outbreak in German started on May 1st, coincidenced with "Operation Geronimo". On 6/6, Germany Chancellor Ms. Merkel has an official visit to US. She, must concede something to the US demand.

 

[DamnYankee]