Geithner's Plan

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Well, it looks like Geithner is as well-liked, or maybe trusted? on Wall street as he is by liberals. I wonder what that means.

What do you make of this SF?


Stocks Fall Sharply as New Bailout Plan Emerges
By JACK HEALY
For jittery investors, the government’s latest plan to stabilize the financial and credit markets with up to $2 trillion in public and private funds provided cold comfort.

Stock prices tumbled on Tuesday after Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner unveiled the government’s latest tactics to address the troubled banking system. Primary among those was an expanded efforts ease consumer and commercial credit and a new program to buy up hard-to-sell assets that have bogged down banks.

At 2:15 p.m., the Dow Jones industrial average was down more than 345 points, or 4.2 percent, dropping below 8,000, and the broader Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was down about 4.4 percent. It was shaping up to be the worst day for stocks since a broad sell-off on Inauguration Day.

Despite the size and scope of the Obama administration’s plans, investors said Mr. Geithner’s proposal raised more questions than it answered. The way out of the financial crisis, analysts said, looked as murky as ever.

“We’re not impressed, and I don’t think the market’s impressed either,” said Ryan Larson, head equity trader at Voyageur Asset Management. “It’s clear the administration is still trying to work on something concrete. I think the market sensed that, too.”

A key measure of market volatility rose, as did prices of safe-haven government debt. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which rose above 3 percent on Monday, fell back to 2.83 percent.

Every sector of the market was trading lower, with the Standard & Poor’s financials index falling by more than 8 percent, reflecting uncertainty about the banking system and how the government’s latest plans would affect major financial companies. Shares of Bank of America slid more than 5 percent, and Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley also fell.

Shares of General Motors fell slightly after the automaker announced it would slash 10,000 salaried jobs worldwide and make white-collar pay cuts of up to 10 percent. Stocks got little traction after the Senate approved an $838 billion package of tax cuts and spending on Tuesday afternoon. The House and Senate will now have to reconcile their versions of the stimulus, which has been endorsed by President Obama but opposed by most Republicans.

Stock markets had surged last week as investors waited for Mr. Geithner to lay out how the administration would spend the second half of the $700 billion bailout. But by mid-afternoon on Tuesday, that buying spree had reversed starkly.

“It’s this kind of buy-the-hope, sell-the-news mentality that the market’s taken over the last few months,” said Dean Curnutt, president of Macro Risk Advisors. “The administration’s very focused; they’re clearly working around the clock to create a plan. That being said, these are just enormous financial problems.”

Mr. Geithner said the Treasury was creating a public-private investment fund, jointly run with the Federal Reserve with financing from private investors, to buy up hard-to-sell assets that have bogged down banks and financial institutions for the past year. He said the new fund, often described as a “bad bank” for holding toxic assets, would start with $500 billion, with a goal of eventually buying up to $1 trillion in assets.

In addition, the Federal Reserve announced that it was prepared to expand a program intended to ease commercial credit to $1 trillion, from $200 billion. The Fed said that it was also considering expanding the scope of the program, the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, to include securities backed by residential and commercial mortgages.

The stock market, which had been trading down all morning, fell sharply as Mr. Geithner began speaking around 11 a.m.

In Europe, shares fell as $6.9 billion loss by the Swiss banking giant UBS and uncertainty about the latest American bank bailout plan kept investors on the sidelines
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/business/11markets.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
 
The problem is that in everything he has said today, he has yet to detail any sort of plan. He keeps harping on what has gone wrong. To which everyone is saying... NO SHIT... thanks captain obvious.... WHAT IS YOUR FRIGGIN PLAN????

He keeps giving the 30k foot view of the 'plan'. No details.... market loses confidence... down she goes....
 
The problem is that in everything he has said today, he has yet to detail any sort of plan. He keeps harping on what has gone wrong. To which everyone is saying... NO SHIT... thanks captain obvious.... WHAT IS YOUR FRIGGIN PLAN????

He keeps giving the 30k foot view of the 'plan'. No details.... market loses confidence... down she goes....

So he and Summers (who you know is right there on this) are as overrated as some on the left said?

I had really hoped otherwise. But my hopes weren't very high. I have noted that the left has been correct on all of the important and big issues of the day, since I have been watching.
 
whats going to happen is this 'stealingforus' bill is going to pass, billions will be shelled out to pet projects and corps, and while time passes on, the market will correct itself naturally, to whit, all the liberals will proclaim Obama the second coming for saving us.
 
So he and Summers (who you know is right there on this) are as overrated as some on the left said?

I had really hoped otherwise. But my hopes weren't very high. I have noted that the left has been correct on all of the important and big issues of the day, since I have been watching.

Honestly, this constant changing of positions and plans is creating almost as much havoc as the actual problem. It projects incompetancy on the part of the Government. Which really shouldn't shock me, but again I find myself wondering where they keep finding these morons. GET SOMETHING DONE YOU FRIGGIN IDIOTS. Damn.
 
you are SO right.... trade and tariff wars are EXACTLY what is needed right now.
Don't get him started.

However, trade and tariffs are not the only form of protectionism. A bit of deportation and border security could go a long way to securing jobs for Americans without trade wars.
 
Don't get him started.

However, trade and tariffs are not the only form of protectionism. A bit of deportation and border security could go a long way to securing jobs for Americans without trade wars.

True, but from previous discussions with him, I dont think that is where he was going.
 
Honestly, this constant changing of positions and plans is creating almost as much havoc as the actual problem. It projects incompetancy on the part of the Government. Which really shouldn't shock me, but again I find myself wondering where they keep finding these morons. GET SOMETHING DONE YOU FRIGGIN IDIOTS. Damn.


They're just trying to stave off the inevitable. The thing that no one wants to admit to, including you, is that the "toxic assets" aren't worth very much at all and that there are big zombie banks with lots of these assets that no one wants to admit are dead. The "plan" does nothing to address this in the immediate term.
 
They're just trying to stave off the inevitable. The thing that no one wants to admit to, including you, is that the "toxic assets" aren't worth very much at all and that there are big zombie banks with lots of these assets that no one wants to admit are dead. The "plan" does nothing to address this in the immediate term.

So what is going to happen in the long run then? What do you think the inevitable is? Those banks close?
 
This is all just part of the acceptance of collapse by the market and the US in general.
The house of cards fell down and no one wants to admit it.

It toook years for Republicans to realize that Bush sucked. Why is this any different?
 
They're just trying to stave off the inevitable. The thing that no one wants to admit to, including you, is that the "toxic assets" aren't worth very much at all and that there are big zombie banks with lots of these assets that no one wants to admit are dead. The "plan" does nothing to address this in the immediate term.

Again, no matter how many times you attempt to proclaim those assets dead or worthless, it will not change the fact that you are wrong. You have continuously ducked answering the simple questions...

Do you think all of those 'toxic' assets are going to default?

Just for once answer that.

Otherwise, do us all a favor and quit trotting out your fear mongering talking points.
 
I think it has more to do with the welfare package.
People have had time to look at it.
CNNMONEY had a comparison of house to Senate and it's mostly welfare.
NOT JOBS, NOT TAX CREDITS.
 
Can you breakdown welfare a bit there topper?

Medicare? Medicaid? direct welfare payments? What specifically?

we are gonna have a lot more poor this year , you think we won't need more money for that?
 
Again, no matter how many times you attempt to proclaim those assets dead or worthless, it will not change the fact that you are wrong. You have continuously ducked answering the simple questions...

Do you think all of those 'toxic' assets are going to default?

Just for once answer that.

Otherwise, do us all a favor and quit trotting out your fear mongering talking points.


Whether they default or not is not the relevant question. The relevant question is what are they worth. Can you answer that one for me? You keep dodging it every time I ask it, instead focusing on the pointless default issue.
 
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