Gas cars exploding from pumping gas. 500 gas cars catch fire annually

Have you seen the ad for the new Cadillac EV SUV? Me want one!!!!

Go buy one then. Don't expect me or anyone else to help you pay for it without some bellyache though. You pay your road taxes like anyone else. You pay your fuel taxes like anyone else. You don't get tax breaks for your car like anyone else. You don't get subsidies (welfare) like anybody else.
 
What has a horse got to do with time or lying?????????!? You are really strange. Like Joe Biden, you can't seem to keep track of the conversation.

I have more knowledge and mental acuity in my little finger than you ever will in your fat, degrading body, worm.
 
Sounds like EVs are a bad idea in salt water costal locations or icy roads places (bad idea here given they have issues with cold too as well as hot). So like 100 miles inland in a very temperate band across the country. And where there is no towing involved.

They are.

EV's don't run well in freezing temperatures (there goes driving in the winter for long distances in the Dakotas or Wisconsin!).
They get good traction in the snow, but the damage from snow debris can cause battery corrosion (there goes driving in New England or most mountain passes in the winter!).
Salt water locations, or locations that use salt to de-ice roads, is a particular problem for any car with corrosion, but yes...this is an avenue for battery corrosion (and fire). There goes New York in winter!

Around here, people keep their EV's garaged. Don't see many in coastal towns such as Ocean Shores or Westport. A fair number of them (about 1% of the cars on the road at any given time) in Seattle and Bellevue areas, which are away from the ocean. People in Bellevue and Seattle are techie types, and don't get out much. I have seen a few EV's up at the ski areas (they do perform well in snow, except for battery corrosion problems). I do not know their fate after they've been abused like this. There HAVE been a number of fires of EV's here, usually starting while just sitting in a parking lot somewhere.
 
They are.

EV's don't run well in freezing temperatures (there goes driving in the winter for long distances in the Dakotas or Wisconsin!).
They get good traction in the snow, but the damage from snow debris can cause battery corrosion (there goes driving in New England or most mountain passes in the winter!).
Salt water locations, or locations that use salt to de-ice roads, is a particular problem for any car with corrosion, but yes...this is an avenue for battery corrosion (and fire). There goes New York in winter!

Around here, people keep their EV's garaged. Don't see many in coastal towns such as Ocean Shores or Westport. A fair number of them (about 1% of the cars on the road at any given time) in Seattle and Bellevue areas, which are away from the ocean. People in Bellevue and Seattle are techie types, and don't get out much. I have seen a few EV's up at the ski areas (they do perform well in snow, except for battery corrosion problems). I do not know their fate after they've been abused like this. There HAVE been a number of fires of EV's here, usually starting while just sitting in a parking lot somewhere.

de-icing in the mid-atlantic is very common above the Mason Dixon line as its also basically the snow line. they're in use even down in central Virginia where I am but we dont get as much icy weather as DC and up.

and garaging is necessary in warm regions as heat is a real problem for them as well.

hydrogen has problem of its own but it seems like a stronger candidate overall.
 
de-icing in the mid-atlantic is very common above the Mason Dixon line as its also basically the snow line.
Not always salt though. Some places are sensible and use sand or calcium chloride salts that are far less corrosive. Some even use a glycol enhanced mixture. Less damaging to roadside vegetation AND cars, you see.
The SOTNY just uses salt (sodium chloride).
they're in use even down in central Virginia where I am but we dont get as much icy weather as DC and up.
Different places use different deicers.
and garaging is necessary in warm regions as heat is a real problem for them as well.
It can be, but only when driving. The battery must be cooled.
hydrogen has problem of its own but it seems like a stronger candidate overall.
This is a fuel and not an EV.

Hydrogen must be manufactured. It requires more energy to manufacture it than you get by using it in a fuel cell or by burning it. Further, it must be transported AND fueled as liquid or under very high pressure (dangerous). Fueling a hydrogen vehicle is typically done using high pressure gas and a special nozzle to handle it. Unfortunately, discharging high pressure gas into the fuel tank causes temperatures to drop at the nozzle, actually freezing the nozzle to the car! It can take up to a half hour to unstick the nozzle after fuel flow has stopped. The means others waiting for the fuel pump have to wait a long time until you can clear the pump.

A breach in the fuel tank is extraordinarily dangerous. Unlike gasoline, which typically just spills and maybe surface burns, hydrogen tanks are under very high pressure and can cause the whole car to accelerate out of control even if no explosion occurs, or the tank itself to rocket away from the car and hitting who knows what! An explosion is also fairly likely. Hydrogen gas floats up, and a significant and dangerous cloud of it will accompany any breach.

Fuel cells are not instant power. They take a significant amount of time to 'spin up' to produce the necessary power. This is even worse than steam driven cars had. To compensate, a large battery pack is used to bridge power across the gap. This of course means you have the problems of hydrogen PLUS the problems of an EV all rolled into one car!

No, the hydrogen fueled car is no better than an EV.


While crude oil (and gasoline) can be manufactured, it is cheaper simply to drill for it. This is a renewable fuel. The Earth is a giant Fischer-Tropsche reactor. Anywhere you care to drill for oil, you'll find it. It is nearest the surface at the edges of tectonic plates, particular where spreading action is taking place. This is where major oil fields tend to be located as well. The ONLY reason fuel is so costly now is due to artificial restrictions (many by Democrats), and inflation (caused by FDR, a Democrat).
 
Not always salt though. Some places are sensible and use sand or calcium chloride salts that are far less corrosive. Some even use a glycol enhanced mixture. Less damaging to roadside vegetation AND cars, you see.
The SOTNY just uses salt (sodium chloride).

Different places use different deicers.

It can be, but only when driving. The battery must be cooled.

This is a fuel and not an EV.

Hydrogen must be manufactured. It requires more energy to manufacture it than you get by using it in a fuel cell or by burning it. Further, it must be transported AND fueled as liquid or under very high pressure (dangerous). Fueling a hydrogen vehicle is typically done using high pressure gas and a special nozzle to handle it. Unfortunately, discharging high pressure gas into the fuel tank causes temperatures to drop at the nozzle, actually freezing the nozzle to the car! It can take up to a half hour to unstick the nozzle after fuel flow has stopped. The means others waiting for the fuel pump have to wait a long time until you can clear the pump.

A breach in the fuel tank is extraordinarily dangerous. Unlike gasoline, which typically just spills and maybe surface burns, hydrogen tanks are under very high pressure and can cause the whole car to accelerate out of control even if no explosion occurs, or the tank itself to rocket away from the car and hitting who knows what! An explosion is also fairly likely. Hydrogen gas floats up, and a significant and dangerous cloud of it will accompany any breach.

Fuel cells are not instant power. They take a significant amount of time to 'spin up' to produce the necessary power. This is even worse than steam driven cars had. To compensate, a large battery pack is used to bridge power across the gap. This of course means you have the problems of hydrogen PLUS the problems of an EV all rolled into one car!

No, the hydrogen fueled car is no better than an EV.


While crude oil (and gasoline) can be manufactured, it is cheaper simply to drill for it. This is a renewable fuel. The Earth is a giant Fischer-Tropsche reactor. Anywhere you care to drill for oil, you'll find it. It is nearest the surface at the edges of tectonic plates, particular where spreading action is taking place. This is where major oil fields tend to be located as well. The ONLY reason fuel is so costly now is due to artificial restrictions (many by Democrats), and inflation (caused by FDR, a Democrat).

they have taken to using just sand more often here, I'd forgotten that.

Hydrogen can be used to generate electricity to power motors in cars (or so I read) and they have developed solid state hydrogen so that can solve the high pressure thing. Needs further development to get more cost effective but combining the maintenance benefits of electric and the storage potential of hydrogen, that is what makes be feel like thats a better direction to steer toward than batteries.
 
they have taken to using just sand more often here, I'd forgotten that.
It's becoming more common, as sand just rinses off to the side of the road afterwards, adding to the soil. It actually becomes a bit of an aid for plants, since it helps loosen the soil.
Hydrogen can be used to generate electricity to power motors in cars (or so I read)
You read correctly.
and they have developed solid state hydrogen so that can solve the high pressure thing.
There is no such thing as 'solid state hydrogen' unless you freeze hydrogen to a solid. That is VERY cold indeed...just 14 deg K. A liquid is a bit easier, but not by much. Just 22 deg K.
Needs further development to get more cost effective
Ya canna change the law of physics, Cap'n.
but combining the maintenance benefits of electric and the storage potential of hydrogen, that is what makes be feel like thats a better direction to steer toward than batteries.
Hydrogen cars use the same batteries as an EV, just less of them. All the same problems apply.
Hydrogen cars also use hydrogen, of course, and that is an additional problem. You get the worst of both worlds.

If you want to buy a hydrogen car, go right ahead. Get the car you want. The biggest thing I gripe about is the mandates and the government manipulation of the automotive and energy markets (fascism), and the subsidies (communism).
 
I love the irony of Reichtards whining about how "dangerous" and "deadly" EVs are, while simultaneously refusing to do a single thing about the repeated massacres of children and adults by gunfire.

"... nearly 49,000 people were killed by guns in 2021..."


The slaughter of innocents by gunfire is constitutionally protected, almost encouraged, and in a polarized political environment, the constitution cannot be amended.
It's part of the insanity that is America today, and if we choose to keep America, we're keeping the gun mayhem as well. Learn to fucking duck, folks.

As for electric cars, it's our own failure to control the human population that's making them necessary.


I would hate to be a young American today.
Their only prospects other than dystopia are early deaths.
Maybe by gunfire, ironically.

One can only guess from what kind of shitholes the undocumented immigrants are coming if they're trying to come here.
I guess Denmark, the Netherlands, and other actually civilized places are just out of reach for them.
You know that their next move is Canada if they can pull it off.
It will just take them a while to figure it out.
 
You put a lead-acid battery in water, and it will spark, and catch fire. That fire will spread in time to the gas tank. The explosion from that will be far greater than anything that can come from most EV's.

Gasoline does not get "contaminated with water". It does not mix with water, but instead floats on top of water. That creates a very dangerous fire/explosion that spreads quickly. It is basically impossible to put out with water, and will spread quicker with water. A car in a flood can easily destroy a very small town, and a gas station in a flood can easily destroy a bigger town.

Walt you must be doing this for a laugh, nobody can be as fucking stupid as you are otherwise. You've already stated that mobile phones can cause fires, which is total bollocks, you'd think you'd learn to zip your lip more often but you just can't bloody help yourself. I am embarrassed for you.
 
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