Gas cars exploding from pumping gas. 500 gas cars catch fire annually

[Walt]

Nope. You an put a lead-acid battery underwater and it won't catch fire. It won't work anymore, but it won't catch fire.
Gasoline does not explode if contaminated with water.

You put a lead-acid battery in water, and it will spark, and catch fire. That fire will spread in time to the gas tank. The explosion from that will be far greater than anything that can come from most EV's.

Gasoline does not get "contaminated with water". It does not mix with water, but instead floats on top of water. That creates a very dangerous fire/explosion that spreads quickly. It is basically impossible to put out with water, and will spread quicker with water. A car in a flood can easily destroy a very small town, and a gas station in a flood can easily destroy a bigger town.

 

[Walt]

Trying to put out a class C fire with water is a BAD idea. Unfortunately, fire departments only have water to work with when trying to put out a vehicle fire.

Every fire department in this area has the fire extinguisher, and if it is bigger than that the foam. If Florida only has water, they need a new governor.

 

[Grokmaster]

Stations: Some Facts, Some Statistics and Some Prevention Tips!

Gas stations are fire-prone areas, that’s a fact, there is no argument about it!

According to the National Fire Protection Association, every year more than 5000 gas station fires are reported in the US.

These fires cause plenty of damage.

Talking in numbers, on an average, gas station fires cause 48 civilian injuries, 2 civilian deaths, and $20 million in property damage every year.

What types of fires usually occur at gas stations?
The fire breakout patterns at gas stations have continuously varied across the years. There was a time when structure and outside fires were quite common at gas stations. Today, vehicle fires dominate.

Citing the NFPA’s Fires at US Service Stations report:

61% of gas station fire incidents involve vehicle fires;
27% are structure and outside fires;
And the remaining 12% are outside trash fires.

Go buy an EV

THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS A VEHICLE BURSTING INTO FLAMES DURING NORMAL OPERATION, YOU FUCKING IMBECILE.

 

[Lightbringer]

Stations: Some Facts, Some Statistics and Some Prevention Tips!

Gas stations are fire-prone areas, that’s a fact, there is no argument about it!

According to the National Fire Protection Association, every year more than 5000 gas station fires are reported in the US.

These fires cause plenty of damage.

Talking in numbers, on an average, gas station fires cause 48 civilian injuries, 2 civilian deaths, and $20 million in property damage every year.

What types of fires usually occur at gas stations?
The fire breakout patterns at gas stations have continuously varied across the years. There was a time when structure and outside fires were quite common at gas stations. Today, vehicle fires dominate.

Citing the NFPA’s Fires at US Service Stations report:

61% of gas station fire incidents involve vehicle fires;
27% are structure and outside fires;
And the remaining 12% are outside trash fires.

Go buy an EV

Nice try nitwit.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Gas fires in cars are way way way way easier to deal with than are electric car battery fires.

I dont want want to hear any false equivalency BullShit.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You put a lead-acid battery in water, and it will spark, and catch fire. That fire will spread in time to the gas tank. The explosion from that will be far greater than anything that can come from most EV's.

Wrong! A car-type lead-acid battery will simply stop working. It produces only 12 VDC, which is insufficient to do anything like spark in water. In fact, it's quite harmless. You need at least 28 VAC--Not DC--to even have enough voltage to shock someone.

Gasoline does not get "contaminated with water". It does not mix with water, but instead floats on top of water. That creates a very dangerous fire/explosion that spreads quickly. It is basically impossible to put out with water, and will spread quicker with water. A car in a flood can easily destroy a very small town, and a gas station in a flood can easily destroy a bigger town.

This is wrong too. You can easily put out a gasoline or fossil fuel fire on water with a water fog. I've done it myself repeatedly in Navy firefighting training. A lithium battery fire is much more dangerous as it is a class D (burning metal) fire. Lithium ignites in the presence of water and will burn in water just like sodium metal will without the presence of oxygen.

That isn't true of a lead-acid battery where there are no reactive metals.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Wrong! A car-type lead-acid battery will simply stop working. It produces only 12 VDC, which is insufficient to do anything like spark in water. In fact, it's quite harmless. You need at least 28 VAC--Not DC--to even have enough voltage to shock someone.



This is wrong too. You can easily put out a gasoline or fossil fuel fire on water with a water fog. I've done it myself repeatedly in Navy firefighting training. A lithium battery fire is much more dangerous as it is a class D (burning metal) fire. Lithium ignites in the presence of water and will burn in water just like sodium metal will without the presence of oxygen.

That isn't true of a lead-acid battery where there are no reactive metals.

Walt is almost always wrong, which cant happen by accident.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Nice try nitwit.

Your surrender is accepted, MAGA moron.

 

[Lionfish]

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That said,
As for the EV's, they are at this point in time nothing more than urban toys that are completely useless in crises such as mass evacuations.

 

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[Into the Night]

You put a lead-acid battery in water, and it will spark, and catch fire.

No, it won't. People go mudding all the time, or drive their cars through floodwaters and stall there. Some even float down the river. No fire.

That fire will spread in time to the gas tank.

Why would it?

The explosion from that will be far greater than anything that can come from most EV's.

No explosion. No fire.

Gasoline does not get "contaminated with water".

Sure it does.

It does not mix with water, but instead floats on top of water.

Which is water contamination. Fuel drains from the BOTTOM of the fuel tank, dumbass.

That creates a very dangerous fire/explosion that spreads quickly.

Why would would fuel in a tank explode??? (ignoring design flaws like the Ford Pinto).

It is basically impossible to put out with water, and will spread quicker with water.

Nah. It just burns. No explosion.

A car in a flood can easily destroy a very small town,

Doesn't happen. Even when cars are floating down the river because they tried to drive through floodwaters. There is not enough energy in a car's gas tank to destroy a town.

and a gas station in a flood can easily destroy a bigger town.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You've been watching too many bad movies!!!

I'm a pyrotechnician, among my other hobbies. Each year, at a fireworks convention, a device called a "dragon's breath" is charged and set off. This essentially is several LARGE containers filled with gasoline. To charge it, a full tanker truck comes and discharges it's ENTIRE LOAD into the device.

It really is spectacular. A good part of the show. Doesn't destroy any town.
Oh...and I know how to blow up a car the way the movies do it. Cars can't really explode that way you know. It's done with explosives and even a smaller Dragon's Breath device (usually in the trunk).

But EV's can and do catch fire and burn like a firework just sitting there in the parking lot, usually due to battery corrosion.

 

[Into the Night]

Every fire department in this area has the fire extinguisher, and if it is bigger than that the foam. If Florida only has water, they need a new governor.

Nah. Fire departments will typically just put lots of water on whatever's burning. They don't care about necessarily saving what is burning, they are just trying to stop anything else from burning with it. They don't try to fight explosives fires. They just let those burn. They will pour water on surrounding areas to keep them from burning though. Pretty much the same with a class B fire.

Some fire departments have foam, typically around airports, where aircraft have large amounts of fuel on board. The foam isn't to save the aircraft. Cars don't have enough fuel on board to bother with foam.

 

[LurchAddams]

Stations: Some Facts, Some Statistics and Some Prevention Tips!

Gas stations are fire-prone areas, that’s a fact, there is no argument about it!

According to the National Fire Protection Association, every year more than 5000 gas station fires are reported in the US.

These fires cause plenty of damage.

Talking in numbers, on an average, gas station fires cause 48 civilian injuries, 2 civilian deaths, and $20 million in property damage every year.

What types of fires usually occur at gas stations?
The fire breakout patterns at gas stations have continuously varied across the years. There was a time when structure and outside fires were quite common at gas stations. Today, vehicle fires dominate.

Citing the NFPA’s Fires at US Service Stations report:

61% of gas station fire incidents involve vehicle fires;
27% are structure and outside fires;
And the remaining 12% are outside trash fires.

Go buy an EV

Have you seen the ad for the new Cadillac EV SUV? Me want one!!!!

 

[LurchAddams]

Buy a horse.

What time is it?

zero for three you loser !! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOO!

Lyin' Beeyatch. Have a great day

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong! A car-type lead-acid battery will simply stop working. It produces only 12 VDC, which is insufficient to do anything like spark in water. In fact, it's quite harmless. You need at least 28 VAC--Not DC--to even have enough voltage to shock someone.



This is wrong too. You can easily put out a gasoline or fossil fuel fire on water with a water fog. I've done it myself repeatedly in Navy firefighting training. A lithium battery fire is much more dangerous as it is a class D (burning metal) fire. Lithium ignites in the presence of water and will burn in water just like sodium metal will without the presence of oxygen.

That isn't true of a lead-acid battery where there are no reactive metals.

Lithium metal batteries are pretty rare. They are not the same as Li-ion batteries, and they are not rechargeable. A Li-ion battery (typical of one used in an EV) is not a class D fire. It is a class A fire by itself. However, when other batteries are nearby, it is a class C fire.
Li-ion batteries burn like a firework. You can easily put it out with water. Water, however, shorts out other good batteries in a pack, which sets them on fire. There is no fuse or breaker.

 

[Into the Night]

Walt is almost always wrong, which cant happen by accident.

It is no accident. It is religious fundamentalism. He is a strong believer in the Church of Green and the Church of Global Warming.

 

[Celticguy]

But EV's can and do catch fire and burn like a firework just sitting there in the parking lot, usually due to battery corrosion.

Sounds like EVs are a bad idea in salt water costal locations or icy roads places (bad idea here given they have issues with cold too as well as hot). So like 100 miles inland in a very temperate band across the country. And where there is no towing involved.

 

[Into the Night]

Your surrender is accepted, MAGA moron.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Hopefully, I am also on that list.

Heh. Possibly you are. Morons like Joe Capitalist are proud of how long their ignore lists are!

That said,
As for the EV's, they are at this point in time nothing more than urban toys that are completely useless in crises such as mass evacuations.

Worse than useless. Your typical Tesla has NO towing capacity, can't handle rough terrain, takes to long to refuel (so it can't escape the danger), can't handle flooding without significant fire risk, and can block roads, preventing others from escaping the area.