and you were doing so well...a moment of clarity is still a win though..congrats.
Gadhafi assassinated 5 years ago today
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lets remember your other meme that we should be fighting iraqs civil war still
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Are you saying Obama lied in 2011 when he said the Iraq war was a success?.....
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Here is a damned good article about the CIA man that interrogated Saddam. He said that he preferred to be in the company of Saddam.
The ex-CIA agent who interrogated Saddam Hussein
By Adam Eley and Katie AlstonBBC Victoria Derbyshire programme
4 January 2017
John Nixon says Saddam Hussein was the most secretive man he has ever met
When former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was captured in December 2003, the CIA required a specialist who could identify and interrogate him for information. That person was John Nixon.
Mr Nixon had studied Saddam Hussein since joining the CIA in 1998. His role was to gather insight into leaders around the world, analysing "what made them tick," he tells the*BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.
"When a crisis hits, policy makers come to us with the questions about who these people are, what they want, why are they doing this."
He had been in Iraq when the ousted leader was discovered by US troops in a small, underground hole next to farm buildings near his hometown of Tikrit.
When the news of Hussein's discovery came through, the US needed him to be identified - a task presented to Mr Nixon.
There had been rumours at the time that Saddam Hussein had numerous body doubles, but Mr Nixon - who left the CIA in 2011 - says "there was no doubt in my mind as soon as I saw him, that it was him".
[http://ichef-1]Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionThe "spider hole" where Saddam Hussein was hiding when he was captured
"When I started talking to him, he gave me the same look he had on a book that had sat on my desk for years. Surreal doesn't come close."
Mr Nixon took on the role of interrogator and was the first person to question Saddam Hussein at length, doing so across a number of days.
"I had to keep pinching myself that I was questioning the most wanted man in the world. It seemed ludicrous," he says.
Mr Nixon, author of Debriefing the President: The Interrogation of Saddam Hussein, describes the former leader as a "mass of contradictions".
He saw "the human side" of Saddam Hussein, he says, in great contrast to the depiction presented by US media.
"He was one of the most charismatic individuals I've ever encountered. When he wanted to be he could be charming, nice, funny and polite."
But he could also switch to a much darker side. Mr Nixon describes him as rude, arrogant, nasty and mean-spirited - and scary when he lost his temper.
"There were two or three occasions when my questioning got on his bad side," Mr Nixon says.
Hussein had been unrestrained as he sat in the small, dingy room in which he was interrogated, sitting on a metal, foldable chair.
Only Mr Nixon, a polygrapher and an interpreter were also present in the room.
Nevertheless, Mr Nixon says the former leader - as a narcissist - "liked the interaction he got by talking to me".
At the end of the first session, in which Mr Nixon tried to establish a rapport with Saddam Hussein in the hope he would cooperate, Saddam said he had enjoyed the conversation.
"He had been in hiding for months and hadn't had many conversations," Mr Nixon says.
It was a positive start, but the next day Mr Nixon says Saddam Hussein "came back more suspicious".
"He is one of the most suspicious men I've ever met - every question I asked him he had one for me."
Mr Nixon admits the CIA had little to offer Hussein in the way of an incentive to speak.
"We had to appeal to sense of history and the prospect of him getting his views heard on record, and by the highest of powers in the world."
There were certain subject areas he was required to cover by the CIA, but otherwise he was left to his own devices.
"I knew I had to try and get answers.
"Working for the agency, you are taught how to debrief sources and make them into potential assets.
"But you have to be very careful as you don't want to risk not being able to extract the most information possible by going at a topic in the wrong way."
The most important subject area was that of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).
The US and UK had used allegations of Iraqi WMDs as a key reason for going to war.
Mr Nixon says "it was all the White House wanted to know", but - from his conversations with Saddam Hussein, his advisers and subsequent research to verify or dismiss his claims - he came to the conclusion that the former Iraqi leader had stopped the country's nuclear weapons program years before and had not intended to restart it.
It was a view that led him and his colleagues to be seen as "failures".
He was not invited to debrief President George W Bush until five years later, in 2008, following separate findings on Saddam Hussein from the FBI.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38497767
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The ex-CIA agent who interrogated Saddam Hussein
By Adam Eley and Katie AlstonBBC Victoria Derbyshire programme
4 January 2017
John Nixon says Saddam Hussein was the most secretive man he has ever met
When former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was captured in December 2003, the CIA required a specialist who could identify and interrogate him for information. That person was John Nixon.
Mr Nixon had studied Saddam Hussein since joining the CIA in 1998. His role was to gather insight into leaders around the world, analysing "what made them tick," he tells the*BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.
"When a crisis hits, policy makers come to us with the questions about who these people are, what they want, why are they doing this."
He had been in Iraq when the ousted leader was discovered by US troops in a small, underground hole next to farm buildings near his hometown of Tikrit.
When the news of Hussein's discovery came through, the US needed him to be identified - a task presented to Mr Nixon.
There had been rumours at the time that Saddam Hussein had numerous body doubles, but Mr Nixon - who left the CIA in 2011 - says "there was no doubt in my mind as soon as I saw him, that it was him".
[http://ichef-1]Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionThe "spider hole" where Saddam Hussein was hiding when he was captured
"When I started talking to him, he gave me the same look he had on a book that had sat on my desk for years. Surreal doesn't come close."
Mr Nixon took on the role of interrogator and was the first person to question Saddam Hussein at length, doing so across a number of days.
"I had to keep pinching myself that I was questioning the most wanted man in the world. It seemed ludicrous," he says.
Mr Nixon, author of Debriefing the President: The Interrogation of Saddam Hussein, describes the former leader as a "mass of contradictions".
He saw "the human side" of Saddam Hussein, he says, in great contrast to the depiction presented by US media.
"He was one of the most charismatic individuals I've ever encountered. When he wanted to be he could be charming, nice, funny and polite."
But he could also switch to a much darker side. Mr Nixon describes him as rude, arrogant, nasty and mean-spirited - and scary when he lost his temper.
"There were two or three occasions when my questioning got on his bad side," Mr Nixon says.
Hussein had been unrestrained as he sat in the small, dingy room in which he was interrogated, sitting on a metal, foldable chair.
Only Mr Nixon, a polygrapher and an interpreter were also present in the room.
Nevertheless, Mr Nixon says the former leader - as a narcissist - "liked the interaction he got by talking to me".
At the end of the first session, in which Mr Nixon tried to establish a rapport with Saddam Hussein in the hope he would cooperate, Saddam said he had enjoyed the conversation.
"He had been in hiding for months and hadn't had many conversations," Mr Nixon says.
It was a positive start, but the next day Mr Nixon says Saddam Hussein "came back more suspicious".
"He is one of the most suspicious men I've ever met - every question I asked him he had one for me."
Mr Nixon admits the CIA had little to offer Hussein in the way of an incentive to speak.
"We had to appeal to sense of history and the prospect of him getting his views heard on record, and by the highest of powers in the world."
There were certain subject areas he was required to cover by the CIA, but otherwise he was left to his own devices.
"I knew I had to try and get answers.
"Working for the agency, you are taught how to debrief sources and make them into potential assets.
"But you have to be very careful as you don't want to risk not being able to extract the most information possible by going at a topic in the wrong way."
The most important subject area was that of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).
The US and UK had used allegations of Iraqi WMDs as a key reason for going to war.
Mr Nixon says "it was all the White House wanted to know", but - from his conversations with Saddam Hussein, his advisers and subsequent research to verify or dismiss his claims - he came to the conclusion that the former Iraqi leader had stopped the country's nuclear weapons program years before and had not intended to restart it.
It was a view that led him and his colleagues to be seen as "failures".
He was not invited to debrief President George W Bush until five years later, in 2008, following separate findings on Saddam Hussein from the FBI.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38497767
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How awesome would it be if Nixon actually interrogated a double, and the real Saddam is down in Argentina, drinking beer with the grandson of Hitler?
"what difference at this point does it make"
^ reason why I wish the Libyan Civil War thread hadn't poofed*
You do realize GWBush fully recognized Qaddafi? He was at the G-8 (2009) with Obama. "fingerprints" was something about a timer.
In other words that was long ago, and Qaddafi took responsibility and paid reparations ( though he continued to deny it)
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AND !! (and this is perhaps the most ominous part of all this)
Quadaffy / Libya had military assets that concerned the West.
In an apparent attempt by Libya to appease the West, Libya got rid of it.
And instead of rewarding Libya for that, Quadaffy was punished for it.
Are we supposed to be stupid enough to think Kim Jong Un hasn't noticed?
And the compounding, confounding blowback of all this is;
now we've destabilized yet another geo-political locus now ripe for "evil-doers" (please pardon the Bushism) to thrive and propagate.
The list is growing:
Even if we're tamping down Afghanistan / Pakistan a tad, there's still
- Syria
- Iraq
- Libya
- Yemen
and elsewheres.
And while we might think the worst terrorist organization is:
- the Taliban
- al Qaida
- ISIL, or
- the IRS
some reports say it's actually Boko Horam.
AND !! (and this is perhaps the most ominous part of all this)
Quadaffy / Libya had military assets that concerned the West.
In an apparent attempt by Libya to appease the West, Libya got rid of it.
And instead of rewarding Libya for that, Quadaffy was punished for it.
Are we supposed to be stupid enough to think Kim Jong Un hasn't noticed?
And the compounding, confounding blowback of all this is;
now we've destabilized yet another geo-political locus now ripe for "evil-doers" (please pardon the Bushism) to thrive and propagate.
The list is growing:
Even if we're tamping down Afghanistan / Pakistan a tad, there's still
- Syria
- Iraq
- Libya
- Yemen
and elsewheres.
And while we might think the worst terrorist organization is:
- the Taliban
- al Qaida
- ISIL, or
- the IRS
some reports say it's actually Boko Horam.
^ Boko is certainly bad in Africa -but don't forget AQIM..You can travel from w.Africa to Syria, and there are terrorists org throughout every state.
Which was yet another insane reason for killing Qaddafi. He was anti-AQ and let the Brits SAS and the CIA roam in Libya.
Let's check in for some latest "Libyan news"
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/libya-deputy-pm-quits-says-he-has-failed-20170103
Libya deputy PM quits, says he has 'failed'
ripoli - One of three deputy premiers in Libya's UN-backed Government of National Accord resigned on Monday, saying he had failed in his mission.
Moussa al-Kouni told a press conference in the capital of the chaos-ridden North African country that he could no longer stay in the post.
"I'm resigning because I have failed," said a visibly moved Kouni, who is originally from southern Libya and represents the Tuareg minority in the GNA.
"We (in the GNA) are responsible because we accepted this mission.
Libya has been mired in chaos since the 2011 downfall of longtime dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
People's expectations
In March last year, the internationally backed GNA was formed, intended to replace two rival administrations, one in Tripoli and one in the country's far east.
It is also the centrepiece of Western hopes to stem an upsurge of jihadism in Libya and halt people trafficking across the Mediterranean that has led to thousands of drownings.
Jihadists of the Islamic State group have been chased from their North African stronghold in Sirte 450km east of Tripoli after eight months of deadly fighting.
Despite this success, the GNA has failed to assert its authority fully over the whole country.
Prime minister-designate Fayez al-Sarraj has not yet been able to secure a vote of confidence in the Libyan parliament based in Tobruk in the east, where the military leader of the parallel authorities, Marshal Khalifa Haftar, is also based.
"The inability to meet people's expectations leads me to resign... I pledged to alleviate their suffering but I did not succeed," Kouni also wrote on his Twitter account.
Which was yet another insane reason for killing Qaddafi. He was anti-AQ and let the Brits SAS and the CIA roam in Libya.
Let's check in for some latest "Libyan news"
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/libya-deputy-pm-quits-says-he-has-failed-20170103
Libya deputy PM quits, says he has 'failed'
ripoli - One of three deputy premiers in Libya's UN-backed Government of National Accord resigned on Monday, saying he had failed in his mission.
Moussa al-Kouni told a press conference in the capital of the chaos-ridden North African country that he could no longer stay in the post.
"I'm resigning because I have failed," said a visibly moved Kouni, who is originally from southern Libya and represents the Tuareg minority in the GNA.
"We (in the GNA) are responsible because we accepted this mission.
Libya has been mired in chaos since the 2011 downfall of longtime dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
People's expectations
In March last year, the internationally backed GNA was formed, intended to replace two rival administrations, one in Tripoli and one in the country's far east.
It is also the centrepiece of Western hopes to stem an upsurge of jihadism in Libya and halt people trafficking across the Mediterranean that has led to thousands of drownings.
Jihadists of the Islamic State group have been chased from their North African stronghold in Sirte 450km east of Tripoli after eight months of deadly fighting.
Despite this success, the GNA has failed to assert its authority fully over the whole country.
Prime minister-designate Fayez al-Sarraj has not yet been able to secure a vote of confidence in the Libyan parliament based in Tobruk in the east, where the military leader of the parallel authorities, Marshal Khalifa Haftar, is also based.
"The inability to meet people's expectations leads me to resign... I pledged to alleviate their suffering but I did not succeed," Kouni also wrote on his Twitter account.
a #77
Thanks.
It is sad that we have to continue to teach presidents this, AFTER they're in office.
"American people are friends of Liberty everywhere, but custodians only of their own." John Adams
We never should have invaded / occupied Iraq. It was a titanic blunder, and one we'll be paying the penalty for for decades to come.
Thanks.
It is sad that we have to continue to teach presidents this, AFTER they're in office.
"American people are friends of Liberty everywhere, but custodians only of their own." John Adams
We never should have invaded / occupied Iraq. It was a titanic blunder, and one we'll be paying the penalty for for decades to come.
Yes. Iraq is the queen cluster - but Libya fueled the Syrian civil war and Libyan weapons ( Qadaffi stockpiled many in the desert)
are all over Africa/ME -from Nigeria ( Boko) to Syria and the Sahel and sub-sahara
