Fundamentalists Don't Want Peace...They Want A Holy War...

Annie said:
That might make sense if the video was the actual cause, but it was only the excuse. 9/11 was the reason, good call from the Islamacists.
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If 11/9 was the reason then you are placing the blame on your own countrymen. I am saying both sides are guilty.
Let me bring you in to a secret....ssshhhh

The twin towers is remembered, and correctly so, by the US. The rest of the world has forgotten all about it until reminded.

You need to wake up to the fact that most things you think are important or significant are not regarded the same elsewhere. Don't forget this, that ALL governments keep things like national tragedies alive to ease the task of government.
 
Haiku said:
Which means what exactly...who's to say how this was coordinated without access to inside information...it sure seems very convenient to me. These hate mongers are useful to our enemies and a real danger to our citizens. The first person killed in America after 9/11 was a Sikh because the ignorant bastards thought only Arabs wear turbans. How many mosques have been attacked...this is hate pure and simple and useful. They make all of us, including our armed forces, less safe.

I don't think you're real.
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I'm sure it was just a coincidence that although this film was apparently released months ago it just happened to "incite" violence in two countries thousands of miles apart on the same day, the anniversary of 9/11.......
 
Lowaicue said:
Two points.
Neither side in this is innocent. The US should now do two things. First it should bring the makers and promoters of this film (which incidentally looks as if it was made by a group of mates from the pub in someone's back garden, to public justice as accessories before the fact in the Murder of four people. Secondly the US should demand that the Libyans hand over the ringleaders of the atrocity for full international trial on charges of first degree murder.
No further discussion should be necessary.
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You may not support freedom of speech where you live....here, we do, as a unalienable and inalienable right ...
 
Lowaicue said:
You need to wake up to the fact that most things you think are important or significant are not regarded the same elsewhere. Don't forget this, that ALL governments keep things like national tragedies alive to ease the task of government.
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Like your opinions on this site, Crank.
 
bravo said:
You may not support freedom of speech where you live....here, we do, as a unalienable and inalienable right ...
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You do not have freedom of speech. You do not have freedom of religion. You do not have the freedom to go where you wish without let or hindrance. You do not have the freedom to formulate your own opinions. Most importantly you do not have the freedom to live your lives free of fear!
All in all I like my freedoms better than yours.
 
Lowaicue said:
You do not have freedom of speech. You do not have freedom of religion. You do not have the freedom to go where you wish without let or hindrance. You do not have the freedom to formulate your own opinions. Most importantly you do not have the freedom to live your lives free of fear!
All in all I like my freedoms better than yours.
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Many here still don't realize that we lost many of our freedoms after 9/11. We traded the them for an illusion of 'safety'...and made the oligarchy rich with wars.
 
Haiku,

If someone produced, say, an anti-Mormon video that sparked Mormon violence, would you condemn the makers of the video or the Mormons committing the acts of violence? Obviously, this is purely hypothetical, considering Mormons are generally peaceful people. I'd venture to guess that your reaction wouldn't be the same.
 
You will venture to guess but I think you don't understand, or refuse to understand my position. Fundamentalists, of all persuasions endanger the peace.
 
Was Theo van Gogh a fundamentalist? Muslims resort to violence when anyone dares to challenge their religion; it is how they are programmed. The religion of the critic has absolutely nothing to do with their response.

Your position merely reflects your desire to kiss Muslim ass, which seems to be the new liberal SOP. You shift virtually all of the blame onto someone who exercised freedom of expression and away from the 7th century throwbacks committing acts of violence. That is lunacy.
 
Fundamentalists of all stripes and persuasions are violent, all of them. They have no religious tolerance, none.

According to the New York Times, the Press-Telegram of Long Beach, California, and MercuryNews.com in Silicon Valley, the production organization that received the permit for the movie now known as "Innocence of Muslims" is Media for Christ. Media for Christ (website offline at posting) was founded and is led by Joseph Nasralla Abdelmasih, an Egyptian Coptic Christian who has been promoted by many of the country's most vocal anti-Muslim agitators.
Nasralla has spoken at rallies organized by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer (hugging Nasralla in photo at right) and has partnered in projects with Steve Klein and Gary Cass, including the 911 Defend Our Students Campaign. Cass is founder of the Christian Anti-Defamation Coalition, an anti-gay and anti-Muslim organization that includes a who's who of Religious Right luminaries on its advisory board. Media for Christ includes a production house for "The Way," a Christian satellite television program in English and Arabic launched in 2010.

The Press-Telegram reported the following,
"Media for Christ, which has its administrative offices south of the 210 Freeway in Duarte, took out a film permit for the production, according to City Manager Darrell George.
...It was filmed in Santa Clarita," George said. He said he obtained the information from the L.A. County Sheriff's Department."
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It is important to note, as stated in the Wall Street Journal, that Media for Christ and Joseph Nasralla does not represent Egypt's Coptic Christians.
"The views espoused by The Way TV and Media for Christ appear to be far from the norm among Egyptian Christians, known as Copts—a mainstream group of Christians with moderate views similar to those of other major Christian religions. The Coptic Church, like the Greek Orthodox Church, has its own hierarchy and leadership."
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If the information from the Press-Telegram and other sources is correct, and Media for Christ produced the movie, then it is a product emerging from the heart of the Islamophobia industry in America.
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Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch, a program of David Horowitz's Freedom Center. Spencer and Geller founded Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), an affiliate of Stop Islamization of Europe and a project of their American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI). The AFDI is the sponsor of anti-Muslim advertisements on buses in Manhattan and San Francisco. Spencer and Geller describe their inflammatory activism as being "pro-Israel," although they have no doubt alienated many supporters of Israel. Sources, including a 2011 Slate article, counted the references to Geller, Spencer, and their collaborators in the writings of Norway's mass killer Anders Breivik, and found them cited over 250 times.

It was Spencer and Geller that organized the 2009 rallies around Rifqa Bary, the Muslim girl who ran away from home with the aid of her Christian proselytizers. See previous posts on this issue ( 1, 2, and 3) including the role of controversial pastor Terry Jones, who has also been reported as promoting the movie in question.
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Cass co-founded the Christian Anti-Defamation Coalition with General William S. Hollis. Projects have included a series of videos titled "Seven Reasons Barack Obama is not a Christian." The advisory board includes Matt Staver, Rick Scarborough, Lou Sheldon, Dick Bott, Ted Baehr, Don Wildmon, Leslee Unruh, and other Religious Right luminaries.


In photo at right, Joseph Nasralla (left) and Morris Sadek (right) are featured at the 2011 rally sponsored by Spencer and Geller. Morris Sadek leads the National American Coptic Assembly and is reported as promoting the "Innocence of the Muslims" video in Egypt.

Another name that has emerged in the production of the movie is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, another Coptic Christian who has been described by ABC News as the "manager for the company that produced" the film. Nakoula, who was convicted of bank fraud in 2010, was located by press that tracked the phone number of Sam Bacile to Nakoula's address. This led to speculation that he was possibly the fictitious Bacile and responsible for the film. Someone using the name of Sam Bacile claimed to be an Israeli American and stated that the movie was funded by Jewish donors.
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Update: The LA Times describes the movie as the product of Joseph Nasralla and Nakoula Nakoula.

Joseph Nassralla Abdelmasih, the president of the Duarte-based charity Media for Christ, and Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a convicted felon from Cerritos, emerged Thursday as forces behind "Innocence of Muslims."
...Media for Christ, whose stated mission is to "glow Jesus' light" to the world, obtained permits to shoot the movie in August 2011, and Nakoula provided his home as a set and paid the actors, according to government officials and those involved in the production.
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Also see Mondoweiss and Pamela Geller's response to that post.
On this general topic, also see The Public Eye's report Manufacturing the Muslim Menace.
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If anyone is interested in reading this article it's located here... http://www.talk2action.org/story/2012/9/14/05433/1020

There are just too many connections here to ignore. Were these people hedging their bets on violence and trying to implicate Israel as well? I hope these idiots are investigated.
 
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Islamophobes seem to like pointing out the violent reactions of some Muslims when their religious beliefs are violated, and approve of inciting those reactions.

Is that wise?

If you know your neighbor's dog will bite you if you poke it with a stick because it bit the last person who did that, is it smart to do the same thing?

Trouble is, the righties do the poking and innocent people many miles away get bitten...
 
Haiku said:
Fundamentalists of all stripes and persuasions are violent, all of them. They have no religious tolerance, none.


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If anyone is interested in reading this article it's located here... http://www.talk2action.org/story/2012/9/14/05433/1020

There are just too many connections here to ignore. Were these people hedging their bets on violence and trying to implicate Israel as well? I hope these idiots are investigated.
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You didn't answer my question. Was Theo van Gogh a fundamentalist?
 
Maybe another crusade is in order.

I heard the pope was somewhere in the middle east. (???????????????)
 
Haiku said:
Here are the American Taliban contingent.



I think these people are aiding the enemy and four people are dead because they were useful fools and assholes.
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Yup..their hatred is so strong...and it includes a lot of people...THIS is why Romney will lose the election...these fools he kowtows to.
 
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