Full FDA Authorization Of Vaccines

PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,



I am not a scientist, so I have to take the CDC's word for it. At some point we have to trust our institutions. We sure pay enough money for them. We have a good government. Very smart people on the job. Dedicated to protecting the health of the nation. That's their job and they take it seriously, do it well.
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Hey Retard, this is the same government that gave us an opiod addiciton and allowed Monsanto to rape and pillage since 1932.

What the fuck is wrong with you?
There is NOTHING trustworthy about the FDA.

Get the fuck off your moral high horse.
 
Naturally, many on the right have no confidence in government, so they have no confidence in the FDA. For them, full approval from the FDA is meaningless. They trust Fox Propaganda Channel more than they trust their own government.

That's not logical, because the government has the purpose and goal of a continued peaceful and prosperous America, while Fox Propaganda Channel has the goal of profits generated by using sensationalist programming to get lots of attention to make advertising as lucrative as possible.
 
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Nordberg said:
A year's worth of data accumulated. There are mega millions of people vaccinated. They are across the whole world and have had serious scrutiny. That is a huge, ongoing test lab that has shown clearly that the vaccines are safe and work. This is far from experimental. If there were problems with the vaccines they would have shown up.
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Nope.
You have no way to prove that all long term effects would have already shown up.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Nornberg,



A distinction can be drawn between the vaccine hesitant and the vaccine resistant.

The truly resistant will not be brought around very easily.

The hesitant just need a little encouragement.

They are the ones who are procrastinating, thinking that if enough other people step forward first, they won't have to. They know it will take most of society vaccinated to gain control of the virus, but they also know that 100% vaccination is not needed, so they keep telling themselves if they just hold out one more day maybe it will turn around.

Even the carrots of lotteries and payments are not enough for them.

They can be helped along greatly by prodding with the stick.

When it comes down to being told they might lose their job, of be unable to do the things they really want to do, they will come around.

Full FDA Authorization will give institutions the cred they need to go with the mandates that will force the hand of these hold-outs.
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Perfect totalitarian thinking.
 
Goodbye Rune,

Have a good life if you can.

Rune said:
Hey Ret**d, ...
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That's just venting. Talking at me instead of with me. That's not a functional conversation. I refuse to be an enabler for your dysfunctional attempt at conversation. And I make it quite clear I don't play the insult contest game. At all.

We are done.

Seeing as how this is the last thing I will ever write to you, I'll just take a moment to expound. Not about what you said, but how you said it. It was disrespectful. You're no longer worth talking to, regardless of political views; it has nothing to do with that. You can't be trusted to offer simple respect. I'll have nothing to do with you. I come here at my pleasure, not for abuse.

It's inappropriate language. It doesn't matter if allowing it keeps forum moderator duties minimal. That doesn't make it right. Having the ability to do something, and watching others do it, does not make a wrong thing right. If we had a president who spoke like that in public, it would be an outrage.

I hope telling me off really did you good, made you feel a lot better, I really do, and I hope that great feeling lasts a lifetime, because that is how long you will now be on my Ignore List. You won't get another chance to post anything I will ever read. As a matter of fact, anything else you've already written to me will go unread as well, so all of that was a total waste of time.

You seriously had to know this would be the result of mouthing off at me like that. I've made no secret of my strict policy concerning internet abuse from the moment I entered this forum. I only talk to people who are polite to me.

And I would also like to invite anyone else who isn't already on my large Ignore List, and wants to tell me off, to please go ahead and do it. I'd rather just get your name on my permanent Ignore List as well, which will save the wasted effort of trying to have an honest dialog when there is no point.

Hey. Some people, you can talk to. Others just want to vent. They come to places like this looking for targets to dump on.

I don't want to waste what precious time I spend here being a target for venting. I want actual functional conversation. Imagine that.

It's sad that I have to be so strict in order to fulfill my purpose here but I have found my rules very effective in creating the experience I enjoy. And I really do enjoy the polite conversations, thanks to so many of you who also appreciate good old manners.

But here's the thing. Anybody can tell me off once. That's on them. If I don't cut it off right then and there, the next time is on me. And worse, a dysfunctional abuser/enabler relationship is then established. Right there, in that moment. I'd be a fool to let that happen. I don't have that in my life and I don't want it. That would be like going backwards. I love my life. I've got it good. I take care of myself. This rule is part of that.

That's the way it has to be. No exceptions. If I allow it, then my rules become meaningless. I have to be true to myself and my rule has to stand for something.

You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything.

I'll leave you with a song.

 
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redfish said:
what the fuck is the "greater good"? Do you understand that those words are straight out of the communist manifesto? We are allowing marxism to take over our country in the name of the fricken greater good. This is stupid and could be the end of the USA as a free democratic republic. Study some history people, this is exactly what Hitler and Mao and Castro did. Wake the fuck up before its too late.
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FYI: Hitler wasn't a marxist or a communist. When the Nazi's came to power, the aforementioned was on the hit list as well. America's corporatist agenda leans more toward fascism (using socialism for corporations and the inherent wealthy only).
 
Darth Omar said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Your last sentence is either a complete misunderstanding of my point (s) or a deliberate attempt to misrepresent what I've written to the readers. I'll assume the former and try this more simplistic approach:

The "vaccines" are not vaccines in the traditional sense, but experimental gene therapy to artificially stimulate the immune response system. NO LONG TERM VETTING OF SUCH HAS BEEN DONE. So the claims of the medical establishment that a year of direct distribution proves a low chance of negative side effects is dubious at best....especially when you have all types of conflicting reports that essentially throw the rule book regarding vaccine capability right out the window (you're still possibly contagious, still possibly susceptible to infection after whatever company shot you get), much less determining even if you are infected with a test kit that WAS NOT DESIGNED TO DO SO, and has proven less than what, 60-40 accuracy? So let's start listening to the pedigreed doctors and medical scientists who over alternative treatments or a better vetting process by the FDA and CDC, sans the bet-hedging content of their published reviews.

Your first four sentences are just a rehash of your position that has already been addressed....repeating them in various forms won't make them any more valid.

So if this is all you've got ( stubborn repetition), I'd say we're done here. Good luck, stay safe and see you on the next thread.
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I’ve been saying what’s in the big paragraph for months and months and have gotten nowhere with it. Even though every bit of it is true.
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On this we agree.
 
PoliTalker said:
Goodbye Rune,

Have a good life if you can.



That's just venting. Talking at me instead of with me. That's not a functional conversation. I refuse to be an enabler for your dysfunctional attempt at conversation. And I make it quite clear I don't play the insult contest game. At all.

We are done.

Seeing as how this is the last thing I will ever write to you, I'll just take a moment to expound. Not about what you said, but how you said it. It was disrespectful. You're no longer worth talking to, regardless of political views; it has nothing to do with that. You can't be trusted to offer simple respect. I'll have nothing to do with you. I come here at my pleasure, not for abuse.

It's inappropriate language. It doesn't matter if allowing it keeps forum moderator duties minimal. That doesn't make it right. Having the ability to do something, and watching others do it, does not make a wrong thing right. If we had a president who spoke like that in public, it would be an outrage.

I hope telling me off really did you good, made you feel a lot better, I really do, and I hope that great feeling lasts a lifetime, because that is how long you will now be on my Ignore List. You won't get another chance to post anything I will ever read. As a matter of fact, anything else you've already written to me will go unread as well, so all of that was a total waste of time.

You seriously had to know this would be the result of mouthing off at me like that. I've made no secret of my strict policy concerning internet abuse from the moment I entered this forum. I only talk to people who are polite to me.

And I would also like to invite anyone else who isn't already on my large Ignore List, and wants to tell me off, to please go ahead and do it. I'd rather just get your name on my permanent Ignore List as well, which will save the wasted effort of trying to have an honest dialog when there is no point.

Hey. Some people, you can talk to. Others just want to vent. They come to places like this looking for targets to dump on.

I don't want to waste what precious time I spend here being a target for venting. I want actual functional conversation. Imagine that.

It's sad that I have to be so strict in order to fulfill my purpose here but I have found my rules very effective in creating the experience I enjoy. And I really do enjoy the polite conversations, thanks to so many of you who also appreciate good old manners.

But here's the thing. Anybody can tell me off once. That's on them. If I don't cut it off right then and there, the next time is on me. And worse, a dysfunctional abuser/enabler relationship is then established. Right there, in that moment. I'd be a fool to let that happen. I don't have that in my life and I don't want it. That would be like going backwards. I love my life. I've got it good. I take care of myself. This rule is part of that.

That's the way it has to be. No exceptions. If I allow it, then my rules become meaningless. I have to be true to myself and my rule has to stand for something.

You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything.

I'll leave you with a song.

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Here's a newsflash, you self inflated blowhard. No one cares about your itty bitty feewings. Good God. That verbosity you call a post is pitiful and boring.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,



If you think I am going to change my position it is as likely as you changing yours. I do think exploring different aspects of our positions is actually covering new ground.

You are under no obligation to continue this conversation, of course. That is your prerogative. I began this thread, so I intend to continue the discussion with whomever is interested. I am at once fascinated and horrified by your position, so I would hope you'd like to continue, but I certainly understand if you want to break off.

The last sentence of my previous post was neither of your interpretations. It was a straight up question which could have been answered either 'yes' or 'no.'

You gave a great answer, however, if I had asked the question: "What is your understanding of the vaccines and PCR testing?"

I still do not know the answer to the question I actually did ask. I can only assume you avoided my actual question because the answer is something you don't wish to admit.

And that really doesn't matter. You've made yourself very clear that you object to the use of the vaccines.

It's great that we have a free country which allows individuals to resist something that shows such promise for society, but we pay a heavy price for that freedom. In this case, it is increasing the numbers of the pandemic, and prolonging the duration.

DESPITE the formulation of the vaccines and their possible but here-to-fore unknown maybe some time in the future side effects, they are absolutely reducing the intensity of the pandemic. That is why millions of Americans and most of our leaders have accepted the risk without fear; and taken the vaccines.

We would like to know all of the variables before making a decision, just as mathematical equations cannot be solved without them, but we can make reasonable assumptions and calculate answers based on those assumptions. In this case, we are assuming the side effects will be minimal or non-existent, because we simply cannot wait until all of the variables are known.

Vaccine objectors are assuming the worst unknown future outcome; and thus willing to let the pandemic run it's terrible current course of destruction and misery. That allows the worst to become reality now in exchange for preventing another possible worst from becoming a reality at some point in the future.
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You gave a great answer, however, if I had asked the question: "What is your understanding of the vaccines and PCR testing?"

the chronology of the posts shows my stating several times that the PCR tests are NOT valid to determine disease. I've pointed to Dr. Mullis videos explaining such. So either you're not smart enough to discern my position or you're purposely being obtuse....and you're not stupid.

You've made yourself very clear that you object to the use of the vaccines./I]

Already addressed, so essentially you're lying about my responses by repeating this to suit your screed. Any objective, rational reader can go through our exchanges and see this.

the rest of your response is just a regurgitation of the SOS spewed by Covid vaccine defenders and what you previously posted. Your opinion, supposition and conjecture (with a little jingoism sprinkled in) is not factual support of your position...and there are just as pedigreed doctors and scientist who are supporting what I'm pointing to as those doing the opposite.....they just aren't funded by the "Big Pharma" lobby, so the MSM shuts them out (think not? Then name the number of scientist and doctors on MSM who are giving the analytical reasons to what I'm saying. You can't, you have to look to alternative media (i.e., the net).

Sorry PT, but as you know I don't entertain the nonsense you've just dealt....you just have a better sentence construction than our resident right wing/neocon/teabagger/libertarian /alt right wonks. So adios until next month.
 
I am quoting another poster from another thread who puts it all in perspective;

There is not one flu but hundreds of different illnesses we call flu collectively.
But for each illness, there is only one vaccine normally.
They just guess at which one to produce for flu, and rarely pick the right one.
There is only one vaccine for smallpox, and has always only been one.

The reason you need 3 for covid is the vaccine does not contain much of anything.
Just contains a synthetic spike protein.
And it is not very good match, especially for all the slight variations.
So likely ever 6 months or so, you will need another booster.
If the vaccine contained whole dead viruses, then one shot would have lasted a lifetime.

And a vaccine teaches your immune system how to cure your infection.
When enough people are vaccinated or otherwise immune, that is not a "cure", but eradication of the virus.
 
Life is Golden said:
Here's a newsflash, you self inflated blowhard. No one cares about your itty bitty feewings. Good God. That verbosity you call a post is pitiful and boring.
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Polibullshitter is an extremely pompous, arrogant, boorish, hectoring twat. She said that she liked to go on cruises, can you imagine being stuck on the same table as that dullard?
 
Long term side effects from vaccines are extremely rare, any effects tend to show up in the first two months after being vaccinated.

How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?


One of the reasons some people haven’t signed up to receive the COVID-19 vaccine is that they’re worried there might be unknown side effects that will show up months or years later.

Although it’s true there are still a lot of things we’re learning about the vaccines — like how effective they are against variants and how long their protection lasts — there are plenty of things we do know that give experts confidence in the long-term safety of the vaccines.

History tells us that severe side effects are extremely rare, and if they do occur, they usually happen within the first two months.

The most recent example of this phenomenon is the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine was put on pause when health officials learned that a small number of people who received the vaccine experienced a serious blood clotting problem.

About 7.4 million Americans had received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine when regulators paused its administration to investigate a handful of cases in which people had blood clots. All of the cases emerged within two weeks of vaccination.

Upon reviewing information about the cases, federal health officials determined that the benefits of the vaccine outweighed the risk, and they approved resumed use of the vaccine.

This is how the system is designed to work if unexpected side effects emerge.

History shows this is a common pattern. When new vaccines are released, the unknown side effects, if any, show up within two months of vaccination. This history goes back to at least the 1960s with the oral polio vaccine and examples continue through today.

Because of this, scientists and public health officials continually monitor vaccine data before, during and after a vaccine becomes available to the public.

COVID-19 vaccine technologies have been studied for years and used in other treatments without issue.

mRNA vaccines. The vaccines made by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech use messenger RNA, or mRNA, to deliver a message to your immune system with instructions on how to fight the coronavirus infection.

Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. mRNA vaccines have been studied before for influenza, Zika and rabies. Beyond vaccines, cancer research has used mRNA to trigger the immune system to target specific cancer cells. Learn more about how mRNA vaccines work.

Adenovector vaccines. Viral vector vaccines use a modified version of a different virus (the vector) to deliver instructions that teach cells how to fight the coronavirus infection. In the case of the COVID-19 case, it’s the adenovirus, a common virus that causes colds or flu-like symptoms. However, the adenovirus was modified so it can enter cells but can’t replicate or cause illness.

Scientists began creating viral vectors in the 1970s, and they have been studied for gene therapy and cancer treatment. Some vaccines recently used for Ebola outbreaks have used viral vector technology, and studies have focused on viral vector vaccines against other infectious diseases such as Zika, influenza and HIV. Learn more about how the Johnson & Johnson vaccine works.

The vaccine development process, from clinical trials to ongoing monitoring, helps to uncover and understand side effects.

Clinical trials are a key part of vaccine development and involve evaluating use in tens of thousands of study participants. All of the COVID-19 vaccines went through this rigorous process before authorization.

In reviewing results from the trials, the federal Food and Drug Administration must determine that the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine.

After vaccines are authorized and in use by the public, public health officials continue monitoring the data as an additional safety measure. Manufacturers must have a plan to report follow-up data, including any events such as hospitalizations and deaths, and they must continue research to generate more data on safety and efficacy. Learn more about FDA emergency use authorization

https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resour...-3-things-to-know#vaccines_eliminated_quickly
 
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