Fukushima Follies

Well, we are at least continuing to develop more ways to reuse more of the waste. Ideally we will either discover how to break down radioactive particles or develop sophisticated enough spacecraft that can safely make dump runs.
 
Depends on the amount of exposure... different amounts cause different kinds of illness.

Nice chart here
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/understand/health_effects.html

And this might have been posted earlier - new research that we might be able to tolerate more than previously thought
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/prolonged-radiation-exposure-0515.html

having said that, until we know what to do with the waste - which is radioactive - I'm still not in favor of nuclear plants, especially considering the potentially deadly consequences of the intersection of human error and nature's unusual events.

We know exactly what to do with the waste and have done for many years, it is the treehuggers who won't let the measures be implemented. In the US, Yucca Mountain had been chosen as a nuclear repository but the plans were scrapped in 2010. You should also build a plant similar to the one at Sellafield to reprocess fuel rods and use vitrification to encapsulate the 3-4% of what's left. Reprocessing has to happen as the price of uranium is going up and will go much higher once the Russians stop sending their weapons grade uranium at the end of this year. A vitrification facility is finally about to be built in Hanford Washington but will not be ready till 2019.

http://www.sellafieldsites.com/solution/spent-fuel-management/thorp-reprocessing/

http://www.hanford.gov/?page=519&parent=0
 
TC, are we 100% behind the science that prolonged exposure to radiation is what causes the illnesses?

Let me be more specific.....prolonged exposure to certain types of radiation at elevated levels beyond what is considered "normal background" radiation that we receive in our daily lives is harmful to the human body. Got it? Good.
 
Here is an interesting website I found about the radiation statistics for Hiroshima. What is fascinating is the remarkedly low number of cancers that could be attributed to exposure to radiation. If you look at Question 2 and the Summary of cancer deaths in atomic-bomb survivors, 1950-1990, it is really very surprising. I know this is will not convince the die hards as absolutely nothing can, but there you go.

http://pketko.com/Hiroshima/radiation.htm#faq2

What's your point? Because you're STILL looking at cancer deaths caused by nuke blast decades down the line! You're STILL ignoring the details of the information I provided regarding nuke power plants and the surrounding ecology/human population.
 
How the Fukushima disaster taught me to stop worrying and embrace nuclear power.


By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 22nd March 2011

You will not be surprised to hear that the events in Japan have changed my view of nuclear power. You will be surprised to hear how they have changed it. As a result of the disaster at Fukushima, I am no longer nuclear-neutral. I now support the technology.

A crappy old plant with inadequate safety features was hit by a monster earthquake and a vast tsunami. The electricity supply failed, knocking out the cooling system. The reactors began to explode and melt down. The disaster exposed a familiar legacy of poor design and corner-cutting(1). Yet, as far as we know, no one has yet received a lethal dose of radiation.

Some greens have wildly exaggerated the dangers of radioactive pollution. For a clearer view, look at the graphic published by xkcd.com(2). It shows that the average total dose from the Three-Mile Island disaster for someone living within 10 miles of the plant was one 625th of the maximum yearly amount permitted for US radiation workers. This, in turn, is half of the lowest one-year dose clearly linked to an increased cancer risk, which, in its turn, is one 80th of an invariably fatal exposure. I’m not proposing complacency here. I am proposing perspective.

If other forms of energy production caused no damage, these impacts would weigh more heavily. But energy is like medicine: if there are no side-effects, the chances are that it doesn’t work. Like most greens, I favour a major expansion of renewables. I can also sympathise with the complaints of their opponents. It’s not just the onshore windfarms that bother people, but also the new grid connections (pylons and power lines). As the proportion of renewable electricity on the grid rises, more pumped storage will be needed to keep the lights on. That means reservoirs on mountains: they aren’t popular either. The impacts and costs of renewables rise with the proportion of power they supply, as the need for both storage and redundancy increases. It may well be the case (I have yet to see a comparative study) that up to a certain grid penetration – 50 or 70% perhaps? – renewables have smaller carbon impacts than nukes, while beyond that point, nukes have smaller impacts than renewables.

Like others, I have called for renewable power to be used both to replace the electricity produced by fossil fuel and to expand the total supply, displacing the oil used for transport and the gas used for heating fuel. Are we also to demand that it replaces current nuclear capacity? The more work we expect renewables to do, the greater the impacts on the landscape will be, and the tougher the task of public persuasion. But expanding the grid to connect people and industry to rich, distant sources of ambient energy is also rejected by most of the greens who complained about the blog post I wrote last week(3). What they want, they tell me, is something quite different: we should power down and produce our energy locally. Some have even called for the abandonment of the grid. Their bucolic vision sounds lovely, until you read the small print.

At high latitudes like ours, most small-scale ambient power production is a dead loss. Generating solar power in the UK involves a spectacular waste of scarce resources(4,5). It’s hopelessly inefficient and poorly matched to the pattern of demand. Wind power in populated areas is largely worthless. This is partly because we have built our settlements in sheltered places; partly because turbulence caused by the buildings interferes with the airflow and chews up the mechanism. Micro-hydropower might work for a farmhouse in Wales; it’s not much use in Birmingham.

And how do we drive our textile mills, brick kilns, blast furnaces and electric railways – not to mention advanced industrial processes? Rooftop solar panels? The moment you consider the demands of the whole economy is the moment at which you fall out of love with local energy production. A national (or, better still, international) grid is the essential prerequisite for a largely renewable energy supply.

Some greens go even further: why waste renewable resources by turning them into electricity? Why not use them to provide energy directly? To answer this question, look at what happened in Britain before the industrial revolution. The damming and weiring of British rivers for watermills was small-scale, renewable, picturesque and devastating. By blocking the rivers and silting up the spawning beds, they helped bring to an end the gigantic runs of migratory fish that were once among our great natural spectacles and which fed much of Britain: wiping out sturgeon, lampreys and shad as well as most seatrout and salmon(6).

Traction was intimately linked with starvation. The more land that was set aside for feeding draft animals for industry and transport, the less was available for feeding humans. It was the 17th-Century equivalent of today’s biofuels crisis. The same applied to heating fuel. As EA Wrigley points out in his new book Energy and the English Industrial Revolution, the 11 million tonnes of coal mined in England in 1800 produced as much energy as 11 million acres of woodland (one third of the land surface) would have generated(7).

Before coal became widely available, wood was used not just for heating homes but also for industrial processes: if half the land surface of Britain had been covered with woodland, Wrigley shows, we could have made 1.25 million tonnes of bar iron a year (a fraction of current consumption(8)) and nothing else(9). Even with a much lower population than today’s, manufactured goods in the land-based economy were the preserve of the elite. Deep green energy production – decentralised, based on the products of the land – is far more damaging to humanity than nuclear meltdown.

But the energy source to which most economies will revert if they shut down their nuclear plants is not wood, water, wind or sun, but fossil fuel. On every measure (climate change, mining impact, local pollution, industrial injury and death, even radioactive discharges) coal is 100 times worse than nuclear power(10,11). Thanks to the expansion of shale gas production, the impacts of natural gas are catching up fast(12).

Yes, I still loathe the liars who run the nuclear industry. Yes, I would prefer to see the entire sector shut down, if there were harmless alternatives. But there are no ideal solutions. Every energy technology carries a cost; so does the absence of energy technologies. Atomic energy has just been subjected to one of the harshest of possible tests, and the impact on people and the planet has been small. The crisis at Fukushima has converted me to the cause of nuclear power.

http://www.monbiot.com/2011/03/21/going-critical/

www.monbiot.com

What a braying ass! He talks as if the situation is contained and done with and all is well. What a blinders wearing parrot!


Leak Found in Steel Tank for Water at Fukushima
By MARTIN FACKLER
Published: June 5, 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/world/asia/tepco-says-water-at-fukushima-is-contaminated.html?_r=0
 
Well, we are at least continuing to develop more ways to reuse more of the waste. Ideally we will either discover how to break down radioactive particles or develop sophisticated enough spacecraft that can safely make dump runs.


And in the meantime the plants functioning all over the well are STILL pumping out tons of waste that we just don't know what to do with besides store underground and hope for the best. Like I said, but for the grace of God has natural disasters NOT shut down the cooling pumps to the spent fuel rod tanks, or taken out the entire plants all together.

But hey, the dice is in our favor so far, right?
 
We know exactly what to do with the waste and have done for many years, it is the treehuggers who won't let the measures be implemented. In the US, Yucca Mountain had been chosen as a nuclear repository but the plans were scrapped in 2010. You should also build a plant similar to the one at Sellafield to reprocess fuel rods and use vitrification to encapsulate the 3-4% of what's left. Reprocessing has to happen as the price of uranium is going up and will go much higher once the Russians stop sending their weapons grade uranium at the end of this year. A vitrification facility is finally about to be built in Hanford Washington but will not be ready till 2019.

http://www.sellafieldsites.com/solution/spent-fuel-management/thorp-reprocessing/

http://www.hanford.gov/?page=519&parent=0

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?52071-Fukushima-Follies&p=1241983#post1241983
 
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