Has been happening since the beginning of time. When I was in Dubrovnik, I saw an old orphanage that was run by Catholic nuns. Women could leave a baby at the door of the orphanage and know it would be taken care of. Most of those babies were the result of rich powerful men fucking lower class women. If the men knew that the woman was having the baby, they would make sure it was killed, so the orphanage was the womans only option. We're about to see the same treatment of women right here in the good old USA. But...... women can decide they'd prefer a different culture. And I believe they will. Joe is disgusting pig. Nothing more, nothing less.
For the women
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You might want to read the article you posted. You are wrong about absolutely everything.Let's start with preventive medicine. On the whole, it is grossly expensive and ineffective. Yes, certain aspects work, but on the whole it is a waste of money and resources.
Preventive Care Saves Money? Sorry, It’s Too Good to Be True (Published 2018)
Contrary to conventional wisdom, it tends to cost money, but it improves quality of life at a very reasonable price.www.nytimes.com
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So, we should use preventative medicine sparingly and judiciously, not just spam it as some panacea because it isn't.
You'd be wrong about where I came up with my ideas on this. They are my own.
What I propose is totally different than virtually anything the talking heads have proposed.
First, I'd implement a national catastrophic health insurance plan. Everyone gets enrolled and these are administered by the current health insurance industry backed by government, sort of like FEMA does with flood insurance. The plan would have a very high minimum deductible, but once met everything beyond that is paid for in full. I'd have the deductible today at somewhere around $10,000 to $20,000.
This insurance is for major medical emergencies, those rare, once or twice in a lifetime things most people might experience. What it is not is for routine healthcare. For those with chronic conditions, once they meet that deductible for the year, the insurance takes over. For most people, that deductible would be no worse than what they're paying out-of-pocket now yearly for such conditions and could be met without bankrupting them.
For routine care, you set up a medical expense / savings account. There'd be options on how to do this for a personal one, and you could have one through your employer. It would work similarly to an IRA or 401K except you'd be able to withdraw funds as needed to meet medical expenses. All money put into the account would be pre-tax (tax free), and all medical expenses 100% tax deductible. That makes the money put in go further in terms of your total earnings. There'd be a yearly maximum you could put in tax free, after that amount anything in the account put is after tax but you could still contribute more than the maximum. Accounts might earn interest depending on who you set it up with and how. That money remains tax free too.
The expectation would be that you have ideally, $10,000 + in your account so you have the deductible met for catastrophic care if that's necessary. The idea of this is you contribute more early on when younger and healthier, and then when you get older and have issues, the money is there to cover the costs of care. But it is YOUR money not the government's or an insurers. The only restriction is that you spend it on healthcare. But you get to choose what healthcare you want and need.
For those on government assistance, an account is set up for them and some of their assistance money goes into that account for healthcare. If you get an EIC (Earned Income Credit) tax refund, that instead of going to you goes into your healthcare account automatically.
For employers, they can set up such accounts with employees and use matching funds or simply put funds into employee accounts. The employee could present a medical expense and have it covered from their employer plan. Unlike personal plans that can grow over time, the employer one is yearly with a cap on total funds equal to the catastrophic deductible.
Funds left in a plan at the end of each year would automatically, by law, be split 50-50 between the employer and employee. That is, each could potentially get up to a $5,000 bonus for the employee being healthy during the year (taxable). The employer could choose to roll over their returned funds into the plan for the next year meaning after several years of paying out these bonuses, the employer's contribution becomes essentially free since they are just reusing money from year to year.
The exact amounts for account size and deductibles is open to debate. I'm just giving rough numbers here. But this plan is pay-as-you-go for most health care with insurance getting involved only when the medical cost is astronomical or massive. The big expense in health insurance is covering routine care. That takes a massive amount of administrative effort. Here, most or all, of that is gone.
Did you know his IQ was 144? You probably don't want to take a genius like Joe.
Oh my. Thanks for the heads up. I guess Joe must be right then! Men are never responsible for unintended pregnancies!
If there's one thing we know about MAGA it's "Dudes never have to take responsibility".
With respect to preventive care:
I spent a couple of years contracting with Optum Health. It's actually owned by UHC but offers services to other insurance companies. Optum has created wellness and disease management programs for a number of patient demographics. A prenatal program. A pre operation program, smoking program, weight loss program, advanced illness program. If you've ever called Nurseline, that's an Optum health run program. I was working with them to streamline their business processes. Even got to spend some time listening to calls with the nurses that do the outreach. They run these programs not because they lose money, or out of the goodness of their heart. They run these programs because THEY SAVE MONEY. UHC does not do something that doesn't work. Within the closed system of their members, these programs save them money. If we had single payer, that single payer would offer the same types of programs BECAUSE THEY SAVE MONEY. They also improve the quality of life and result in better outcomes. People would not sign up for these programs if they cost money. In fact, Optum spent a good deal of money and time convincing people to participate. Preventative care would save the country enormous amounts of money. The evidence is out there. Every other industrialized country has some form of single payer, and every one has a better healthcare system than we do.
I spent a couple of years contracting with Optum Health. It's actually owned by UHC but offers services to other insurance companies. Optum has created wellness and disease management programs for a number of patient demographics. A prenatal program. A pre operation program, smoking program, weight loss program, advanced illness program. If you've ever called Nurseline, that's an Optum health run program. I was working with them to streamline their business processes. Even got to spend some time listening to calls with the nurses that do the outreach. They run these programs not because they lose money, or out of the goodness of their heart. They run these programs because THEY SAVE MONEY. UHC does not do something that doesn't work. Within the closed system of their members, these programs save them money. If we had single payer, that single payer would offer the same types of programs BECAUSE THEY SAVE MONEY. They also improve the quality of life and result in better outcomes. People would not sign up for these programs if they cost money. In fact, Optum spent a good deal of money and time convincing people to participate. Preventative care would save the country enormous amounts of money. The evidence is out there. Every other industrialized country has some form of single payer, and every one has a better healthcare system than we do.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
you know this bitch has a smelly pussy.
He'll give you free investment advice too. Free advice from a genius. How lucky are we?
Classy.
I didn't know we were in a shirt and tie establishment.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
It escapes you, TAG, that people of incompatible ideology not only want different things,
but also have differing opinions as to what's good and what's bad.
Your paradise is my hell and vice versa.
America struggles because it's comprised of incompatible people.
You can state your opinions,
but if you think that there's any overwhelming consensus on them,
then you are the obvious imbecile.
Says the useful idiot.
So do you feel a national divorce is the right answer?
Go back to sleep, old man.
This is how the MAGA people make their decisions on voting. Most adults would try to focus on real issues but MAGA folks can't get beyond the idea of a WOMAN being POTUS.
Now she's not only a "whore" but has "smelly pussy".
Why do women scare you? Is it because Dear Leader Trump only values them for raping? Would you call his girlfriend, Ivanka, a "whore"?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
don't get it twisted, I eat smelly pussy.
It's not possible but then most MAGA folks couldn't make it through elementary school geography. It is going to be rough though. There's almost nothing the sides have in common. The Right has left reality and is now in total thrall to the "Big Lie". The Left are too "nice" to actually stand up to them in any meaningful way.
The MAGA folks should actually be pretty proud, though. They have shown that it is possible for a nation to descend into insanity and fascism in really short time.
I don't know what the answer is but I suspect it will be a painful experience wherein at the end of it no one will ever confess to having been a MAGA supporter. That's the way these things ALWAYS go.
We saw it play out in the 1930's-1940's. And we're watching it all over again. The only difference is half of us know we've seen the film before.
Yeah, everyone is really impressed with your "Manhood".
The testosterone shots are definitely having the intended effect. Are you growing facial hair now?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
on my eyeball, yes.
No. It's kind of true. We watched as Trump held a 39minute old-man dance party and you didn't even notice. We watched as abandoned his followers in the desert at Coachella and you guys didn't notice. We watched as he fomented a coup attempt against the USA and you characterized it as "good". We watched as he was convicted in a court of law of 34 felonies and you guys supported him MORE. We watched as he systematically denigrated women and you guys cheered. We watched him mock the military and you guys still call yourselves patriots. We watched as he bragged about rape and you laughed. We watched as he mocked the disabled and you thought it was OK. We watched as he had the national guard clear out protestors so he could have a photo op with a Bible he doesn't have the first clue about. We watched as he started to SELL you people those bibles and you bought 'em. We watched as he lied consistently and you guys took it as truth. We watched as he created a new scapegoat in the form of poor brown people and you helped and you made the demonization worse and you helped create dollar store blood libels against legal (brown) immigrants.
What else will we have to watch? Will we have to watch as your movement builds the camps? Lays the rail lines? Fires up the crematoria?
Just tell us what the endgame is here. (Actually we all know what it is because we have read history. You haven't so it will be a surprise for you. Let me give you a hint: you and all your fellow MAGA folks will, at the end of all this, deny ever having been involved. It always goes that way.)
Enjoy.