Florida plans to become first state to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates

Scott said:
Fortunately, the courts disagree,
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Dishonest leftists routinely turn to activist courts to throw the game in their favor.

Fortunately, courts don't get the final say. Legislation gets the final say. The States get the final say.

Scott said:
The U.S. Supreme court has now decided that individual U.S. states decide are to decide whether abortions should be legal or not
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As it should be. But it's not because the Supreme Court says so; SCOTUS simply affirms that the States say so.

Scott said:
Which means U.S. Citizens have the ability to vote with their feet as to what laws they want to live under.
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Teachable moment: "... as to what laws under which they want to live."

Correct. Some States have the death penalty and others do not.
 
Into the Night said:
Nope. They are viruses.

It is possible to see a virus in a sufficiently powered microscope.

They do.

* They are not alive.
* They invade cells as a parasite and reprogram them to reproduce more copies of the virus.
* They consist of a membrane enclosing RNA.
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We've clearly started talking about biological viruses in this sub thread, so I've responded in the APP biological virus thread I made a while back. For the audience, my response is here:
Scott

APP - Post in thread 'Do biological viruses actually exist?'

Into the Night said:
Scott said:
Sure, and I certainly believe that cells exist, as well as bacteria. I also suspect that some microbes that are classified as biological viruses are actually bacteria.
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Nope. They are viruses.
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Perhaps it may be best if we simply agree to disagree on that point.

Into the Night said:
It is possible to see a virus in a sufficiently powered microscope.
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It is certainly possible to see various microbes in electron microscropes. The issue is whether there is any solid evidence that said microbes are actually biological viruses.

Into the Night said:
Scott said:
The issue is whether they actually fit the description...
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Into the Night, if you are unable or unwilling to respond in that thread, I can also respond in the thread I made on biological viruses in the General Politics Forum, assuming you would be amenable to responding there.
 
Into the Night said:
Science is not evidence.

The evidence of viruses is NOT missing. They can be observed directly through a sufficiently powerful microscope. Their presence can be detected by indicators.

A virus is not a particle. It is a complex structure.

Viruses invade cells, causing the cell to make copies of the virus. The normal functioning of that cell is disrupted. The immune system first responds by destroying the cell.

The effects of this damage and the immune system response is the disease, often showing up as congestion, a runny nose, sore throat, etc.

After a few days, antivirus cells matching that virus begin replicating.

After about a week in most cases, the virus is eradicated from the body by antivirus cells, which are capable of doing a much better job than the white blood cells that first responded.


Science is not a method. The dictionary does not define any word. A virus is not a particle.


False authority fallacy.
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For the audience- we've started talking about biological viruses in this subthread, so I've responded to this post in posts 689 to 693 in the following thread:
Scott

APP - Thread 'Do biological viruses actually exist?'

I made a thread that basically had the same premise as this one back in 2022. It had a good run, but then petered off for a long time. It's recently gotten a bit of a renewal, but I've come to believe that this is a subject that will get a lot of people to engage in personal attacks. I was hoping to avoid that this time around and this is the reason that I'm remaking this thread here. Note that I am not saying that the electron microscope photographs that virologists present aren't real microbes, just that they don't actually have the properties that would fit the definition of biological...
 
Into the Night said:
Scott said:
Does a chicken or a cow get their day in court before getting slaughtered for consumption? They are highly intelligent creatures, after all:

www.psychologytoday.com

Cows: Science Shows They're Bright and Emotional Individuals

Thinking of cows simply as "food products" ignores who they truly are. In fact, science shows they have rich and deep cognitive and emotional lives.
www.psychologytoday.com www.psychologytoday.com
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You have obviously have never raised either chickens or cows.
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I've lived on a farm where cows were raised, I just wasn't raising the cows myself. In any case, why did you come to the conclusion that I haven't raised chickens or cows?
 
Into the Night said:
Scott said:
As you point out, we don't eat human fetuses, so I would say there is more deference towards human fetuses than adult chickens or cows, but I doubt there are few if any examples where a human fetus has an intelligence that is in the same ballpark as its mother. This is why the mother's wishes on whether she wants to carry a pregnancy to term must take precedence.
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A human being is not a chicken or a cow.
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Agreed.

Into the Night said:
Why do condone murder?
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I don't.
 
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