Florida plans to become first state to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates

[Into the Night]

Covid viruses do not "melt" at body temperature. That is just a fact.

He never said they did, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

I certainly agree that a lot of studies are flawed. There's a physicist youtuber that I follow on youtube that I think is pretty good. She published the following video 3 weeks ago that I think you might like:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPy3DeMUyI&ab_channel=SabineHossenfelder


That being said, I don't think they are -all- flawed. Based on the documentaries I've seen and the articles I've read, I believe it's highly likely that vaccines -can- cause autism. If you want to discuss studies that I find to have particularly good evidence, I can certainly list some examples.

Science isn't a research, study, documentary, article, or Youtube.

 

[Into the Night]

You stupidly tossed the phrase "contract killing" around as if it means anything,

It does.

while pretending it doesn't refer to abortion.

It also refers to abortion.

 

[Into the Night]

You don't get to redefine words.

He isn't. DEMOCRATS are. The word 'gay' first entered into the English lexicon sometime in the 12th century, stemming from French 'gai', meaning joyful and carefree.

Then DEMOCRATS (also called 'magats') redefined the word to mean 'homosexual behavior, a sexual deviancy'.
Then DEMOCRATS started to refer to 'gay rights' further redefining and distorting the meaning of the word.
Then DEMOCRATS started to push 'gay rights' as a supremacy, further distorting the meaning of the word.

No. I am going to use 'gay' again for it's original meaning. If you want to get totally confused by it, that's YOUR problem.

 

[AProudLefty]

He isn't. DEMOCRATS are. The word 'gay' first entered into the English lexicon sometime in the 12th century, stemming from French 'gai', meaning joyful and carefree.

Then DEMOCRATS (also called 'magats') redefined the word to mean 'homosexual behavior, a sexual deviancy'.
Then DEMOCRATS started to refer to 'gay rights' further redefining and distorting the meaning of the word.
Then DEMOCRATS started to push 'gay rights' as a supremacy, further distorting the meaning of the word.

No. I am going to use 'gay' again for it's original meaning. If you want to get totally confused by it, that's YOUR problem.

Redefinition fallacy.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Agreed, humanity can be pretty messy sometimes. But I do think that by -trying- to reign in our darker impulses, we can be rewarded by getting treated better in return.

Agreed. It's a personal journey. If you work on that for yourself, good. If your aim is to impose it upon others, not so much.

 

[Walt]

He never said they did, Wally.

Yes he did:

Covid virus starts to melt at 37°c which isn't even a low grade fever.

Random point for those who do not know Centigrade, 37°C is considered body temperature. It is exactly 98.6°F.

 

[Into the Night]

Redefinition fallacy.

That's what you Democrats do...constantly.

 

[AProudLefty]

That's what you Democrats do...constantly.

Random post.

 

[Scott]

An interesting point of view. I wonder if we'll ever hear from one of the people responsible for listing these causes of death. I for one would definitely like to hear what these people have to say for themselves.

They were all told to do so, and they wanted to keep their jobs.

That may well be a good summation of what happened there.

A better thing to do would be to find someone who was told that his family member died of COVID-19 and examine that death certificate. If COVID-19 is hard-coded below the cause of death, you are looking at genuine CFC-mandated fraud. It wont take you long to realize that there aren't any death certificates that only list COVID-19 as the cause of death ... because COVID doesn't kill.

I certainly agree that the Cov2 virus doesn't kill. We may differ on why that is- I believe it's because they don't exist, you believe it's because it's not strong enough to do so, but I think we're pretty close here. Certainly miles away from people who believe that the Cov2 virus was something that killed millions.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I certainly agree that the Cov2 virus doesn't kill. We may differ on why that is- I believe it's because they don't exist, you believe it's because it's not strong enough to do so, but I think we're pretty close here. Certainly miles away from people who believe that the Cov2 virus was something that killed millions.

You believe there is a vast, wide conspiracy about COVID? Fascinating. Please tell me more.

 

[Scott]

Note: The CFC invented a term. What do you call an unrelated factor in a death that was not the cause of death? Answer: The UNDERLYING cause of death!

Watch the below video providing CFC's guidance to doctors and medical examiners on how to "properly" fill out a death certificate, remembering that those same doctors and medical examiners were first provided the CFC's guidance on how to "properly" ascertain that COVID-19 is always a "cause of death" to be recorded along with the actual cause of death in the section "Cause of Death." Just hard-code it in at the bottom.

I think the idea is that if the worthless PCR tests said that they had the Cov2 virus, then they must have died from Covid. I remember someone in another forum saying a nurse he knew had figured out that some PCR tests always gave positive results, so whenever she wanted a day off, she'd just take one of these 'always positive result' Covid tests.

 

[Scott]

I certainly agree that a lot of studies are flawed. There's a physicist youtuber that I follow on youtube that I think is pretty good. She published the following video 3 weeks ago that I think you might like:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPy3DeMUyI&ab_channel=SabineHossenfelder


That being said, I don't think they are -all- flawed.

What does that even mean?

It means that I believe some studies are well done.

The bottom line is that it is all too common for people to say "There's a study on that" without explaining why that author's "study" should even be read, much less considered. Presume that I don't give a rat's tail whether or not "there's a study" ... or even a few hundred studies. The first question I'm going to ask is "Do you have any science, or a math theorem, or a logic proof, or empirical evidence, showing the given proposition to be the case?" If the answer is "No, but I have a bunch of studies, I consider the proposition dismissed and the matter closed."

I think the important thing here is the quality of the study. If the study's done well, then I would consider it good evidence, otherwise I wouldn't.

 

[Scott]

Based on the documentaries I've seen and the articles I've read, I believe it's highly likely that vaccines -can- cause autism. If you want to discuss studies that I find to have particularly good evidence, I can certainly list some examples.

Do you have a proper dataset developed from proper sampling under proper conditions that concludes the proposition under appropriate regression analysis?

I'm not a medical researcher, so I I'm not up on what constitutes a "proper dataset developed from proper sampling". What I do instead is trust articles, scientific studies and papers whose findings fit what I've already come to believe is true. Now at this point, I can easily imagine you or someone else saying that this is confirmation bias, and I'd agree. The thing is, there's a very limited amount of time that I'm willing to spend looking at scientific studies and papers, so I narrow it down to those which agree with what I already believe.

There is, ofcourse, one factor wherein I go beyond what I would usually look at, and that is online forum posters who disagree with my viewpoints. For them, I've done extra work reading essays refuting various arguments made by those who disagree with some of my beliefs in regards to things like biological viruses or vaccines.

As a sidenote, up until Covid 19 hit, I believed in biological viruses. It was only -after- Covid 19 started that I started looking into the research work of those who no longer believe in biological virues and, after about a year, came to the conclusion that they were right.

 

[Scott]

From the site:
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Autism is a largely immune mediated condition, and the purpose of a vaccine is to change the behavior of the immune system. Vaccines and their ingredients can cause the underlying medical conditions that are commonly found in children who have been given an autism diagnosis. These conditions include immune system impairment, autoimmune conditions, neuroinflammation, gastrointestinal damage, neurological regression, mitochondrial dysfunction, oxidative stress, glial cell activation, interleukin-6 secretion dysregulation, damage to the blood–brain barrier, seizures, dendritic cell dysfunction, mercury poisoning, aluminum toxicity, gene activation and alteration, glutathione depletion, impaired methylation, impaired thioredoxin regulation, impairment of the opioid system, cellular apoptosis, endocrine dysfunction, and other disorders.
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Source:

How Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

The Body of Research Supporting Vaccine Autism Causation

howdovaccinescauseautism.org

Autism and cancer might both be immune system failure.

Maybe? I've heard various things about the immune system. But if I had to describe the most common culprit in virtually any disease, I think it'd be toxins coming from what we eat, drink and breathe. Perhaps malnutrition would be second place and stress might be third. Also, once the body is sufficiently damaged, it can be hard if not impossible to get it working properly again.

 

[Scott]

Here's Wikipedia's definition of a contract killing:
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Contract killing (also known as murder-for-hire) is a form of murder or assassination in which one party hires another party to kill a targeted person or people. It involves an illegal agreement which includes some form of compensation, monetary or otherwise.
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Source:

Contract killing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So, I take it you don't disagree with my definition of "contract killing".

If it differs from Wikipedia's, yes, I don't. I believe I told you that if people can't reach a consensus on what something like abortion means, trying to -discuss- whether abortion should be allowed or not becomes impossible.

 

[Scott]

I did a deep dive into how the conversation went from abortions [snip]

I asked you why you support contract killings. You seem to be evading my question.

No, I'm trying to explain how I thought you meant whether I support abortions and your saying "contract killings" was just some exotic way of saying abortion. It now seems that you really were talking about contract killings, but it also seems like you're trying to insinuate that abortions -are- contract kilings and that's where I simply disagree with you.

 

[Walt]

Autism is mostly caused by Tylenol?

Could Be.

As for Crazy Kennedy's claim that Tylenol causes autism, there was a sibling controlled 2024 study of over 2 million children in Sweden that could not find a link between Acetaminophen and autism... It does not get much more definite than that.

 

[domer76]

I agree with you on a -lot- of what you posted, with 1 caveat- whether it was a planned scam or just an accidental one. In other words, when the congressmen who passed the laws that enabled this really trying to create a panic? I don't know about that. But the results speak for themselves. Quoting from a USA Today article on the subject:
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The claim: Hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19, and on ventilators​

Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minn., a physician in Minnesota, was interviewed by "The Ingraham Angle" host Laura Ingraham on April 8 on Fox News and claimed hospitals get paid more if Medicare patients are listed as having COVID-19 and get three times as much money if they need a ventilator.

The claim was published April 9 by The Spectator, a conservative publication. WorldNetDaily shared it April 10 and, according to Snopes, a related meme was shared on social media in mid-April.

Jensen took it to his own Facebook page April 15, saying, in part:

"How can anyone not believe that increasing the number of COVID-19 deaths may create an avenue for states to receive a larger portion of federal dollars. Already some states are complaining that they are not getting enough of the CARES Act dollars because they are having significantly more proportional COVID-19 deaths."

On April 19, he doubled down on his assertion via video on his Facebook page.

Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

Jensen clarified in the video that he doesn't think physicians are "gaming the system" so much as other "players," such as hospital administrators, who he said may pressure physicians to cite all diagnoses, including "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act. Past practice, Jensen said, did not include probabilities.

He noted that some states, including his home state of Minnesota, as well as California, list only laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 diagnoses. Others, specifically New York, list all presumed cases, which is allowed under guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as of mid-April and which will result in a larger payout.
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Source:

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

Now, right after the above, Jensen lists a caveat:
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Jensen said he thinks the overall number of COVID-19 cases have been undercounted based on limitations in the number of tests available.
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As I think you know, I would strongly disagree with Jensen on that last point, as I don't believe that Cov 2 virus exists at all and that all these positive results for it are bogus, but I didn't want to misrepresent Jensen's full view here.

Of course you don’t believe the virus exists. You’re a fucking idiot.

 

[domer76]

No.

Provoders were clearly incented to over diagnose

There is no evidence that hospitals padded their numbers to acquire more funds. NONE.