Florida book bans - the first step before burning

[ThatOwlWoman]

But when teachers find out they will have to spend a unpaid week every year begging to bring books into the school, with the possibility of going to prison if anything goes wrong, I am sure the teachers will rush to fill jobs

Yes, that is SARCASM.

I need to PM Damo and ask him to add a sarcasm font. lol

Many, if not most, of the books in a typical classroom were bought by the teacher with her own money. That's how dedicated to education that they are.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Whenever you have said that DeathSentence will be the front-runner in '24, I told you that he plays well in trump's home state of Florida, but not on the national stage.

I have a strong feeling that he suffers similar delusions to trump's. He needs help. From the moment he raided that girls house because she refused to hide Covid stats, to Disney, to racist educational guidelines...it seems he's ready for a padded cell.

So you're not worried that DeSantis will become both the Republican nominee and the President in November 2024? You think most Americans will vote for Harris or whoever is the DNC nominee? The same argument was used in 2016, another free-for-all election.

Disagreed with your assessment of Ron. He's a populist and autocrat, but much saner than Trump. Besides, he lets his wife dress him. Trump only needed help on stairs.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

so you agree vaccine hesitancy is not a white male problem.

thanks.

Since I never claimed that it was, you won nothing there, sport. It's interesting that more recent studies have shown that registered Republican voters died from COVID at a measurable, significantly greater rate than registered Democrat voters. Since most (R)s tend to be white, you can figure out where this is going. Stupidity definitely seems to be a conservative white person problem.

Excess Death Rates for Republicans and Democrats During the COVID-19 Pandemic

 

[TOP]

But when teachers find out they will have to spend a unpaid week every year begging to bring books into the school, with the possibility of going to prison if anything goes wrong, I am sure the teachers will rush to fill jobs

Yes, that is SARCASM.

No one is going to have to spend an unpaid week every year begging to bring books into school....and there is no possibility of anyone actually going to jail... ao that's not going to stop anyone from applying to be a teacher if they really want to teach...( I got hired 2 weeks after I graduated by the way... how great was that? People who really want to teach will always find a way to make things work... )

 

[Walt]

I need to PM Damo and ask him to add a sarcasm font. lol

Many, if not most, of the books in a typical classroom were bought by the teacher with her own money. That's how dedicated to education that they are.

Many employers realize teachers are overworked, underpaid, and have important skills. Our economy has extreme shortages of workers, especially skilled workers. There is about to be a feeding frenzy on teachers, so this is the time to try to keep them.

Instead, Florida is trying to persecute them.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Since I never claimed that it was, you won nothing there, sport. It's interesting that more recent studies have shown that registered Republican voters died from COVID at a measurable, significant greater rate than registered Democrat voters. Since most (R)s tend to be white, you can figure out where this is going. Stupidity definitely seems to be a conservative white person problem.

Excess Death Rates for Republicans and Democrats During the COVID-19 Pandemic

your butt buddy walt did.

and you proved him wrong.

thanks.

 

[Walt]

No one is going to have to spend an unpaid week every year begging to bring books into school....and there is no possibility of anyone actually going to jail... ao that's not going to stop anyone from applying to be a teacher if they really want to teach...( I got hired 2 weeks after I graduated by the way... how great was that? People who really want to teach will always find a way to make things work... )

You can only treat people like shit for so long before they will just find new jobs. It is called capitalism, and it is why Florida is now has extreme teacher shortages.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Whenever you have said that DeathSentence will be the front-runner in '24, I told you that he plays well in trump's home state of Florida, but not on the national stage.

I have a strong feeling that he suffers similar delusions to trump's. He needs help. From the moment he raided that girls house because she refused to hide Covid stats, to Disney, to racist educational guidelines...it seems he's ready for a padded cell.

I hope that you're right but fear that you're not. Given the fact that most (R) voters are woefully uninformed because they only get their so-called info from highly-partisan sources that tend to praise DeSantis, I can see them flocking to yet another perceived "strong man" ala Trump. Just look at them defending him here on JPP for the proof of that. Most of them are not FL residents.

 

[Walt]

your butt buddy walt did.

and you proved him wrong.

thanks.

Angry little AssHat (he calls himself that) is confusing the voices in his head with me.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Many employers realize teachers are overworked, underpaid, and have important skills. Our economy has extreme shortages of workers, especially skilled workers. There is about to be a feeding frenzy on teachers, so this is the time to try to keep them.

Instead, Florida is trying to persecute them.

Yep. Well, more teachers for us, less for them. In just a few short years, we'll see the results of FL's War on Education. Their h.s. graduates will have difficulty getting hired for any but unskilled jobs, and those who want further education will have trouble getting into the better colleges and universities.

But on a more positive note, Disney won't have to import foreign workers to staff their theme parks. lol

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You are correct. From Report details teacher shortages by state

She wasn't. BTW, many states are offering incentives for actual retired teachers to return to the empty classrooms. Florida is one of them. FL is even trying to entice retired military vets to apply.

Ronald Reagan once said "If you serve a child a rotten hamburger in America, federal, state, and local agencies will investigate you, summon you, close you down, whatever. But if you provide a child with a rotten education, nothing happens, except that you're liable to be given more money to do it with. Well, we've discovered that money alone isn't the answer."

Over 40 years later, that's still true.

From your link: "Overall, there are at least 36,500 vacant positions along with 163,000 underqualified individuals filling teaching positions across the United States," Nguyen said. "These vacancies represent 1.67% of teaching positions nationwide, with about 5.16% of positions held by underqualified school district employees."

Why don't Americans want to be teachers? Here is one partial answer; burnout....along with poor pay and too much bullshit on the job.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/22/tea...f-a-burnout-crisis-it-became-intolerable.html

After two years of weathering pandemic disruptions, safety concerns and tense public scrutiny, burned-out teachers have quit the profession in droves.

At least 300,000 public-school teachers and other staff left the field between February 2020 and May 2022, The Wall Street Journal reports.

Teachers have experienced alarmingly high rates of anxiety during the Covid-19 pandemic — even more than health-care workers, according to recent research published in Educational Researcher, a journal of the American Education Research Association.

K-12 teachers report the highest burnout rate of all U.S. professions, with more than four out of every 10 teachers noting that they feel burned out “always” or “very often” at work, according to a June 2022 Gallup poll.

Many of the predominant challenges teachers face, including safety concerns, low salaries, funding deficits and declining mental health, are not new issues — but the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic has intensified existing problems within the profession.

The burnout crisis in teaching has been exacerbated by a national educator shortage — enrollment in teacher preparation programs has plummeted, a trend amplified by the pandemic, and schools throughout the U.S. are competing for a shrinking pool of qualified teachers.

Some teachers quit because of the challenges of teaching during a global pandemic, while others, taking note of the Great Resignation, found higher-paid opportunities in other industries. Those who remain in the classroom report feeling exhausted and disillusioned with the role they had once considered to be their dream job.

 

[Althea]

So you're not worried that DeSantis will become both the Republican nominee and the President in November 2024?

Not in the least. trump lost by 8 million votes.

You think most Americans will vote for Harris or whoever is the DNC nominee?

Why wouldn't they? You think this nation wants a national book ban? A rewriting of black history?

The same argument was used in 2016, another free-for-all election.

2016 was an anomaly that was corrected overwhelmingly in '20.

The direct line will be drawn between trump and DeSantis. The latter doesn't have the reality show creds of the former, and the fact that Clinton was 100% correct in every one of her criticisms of trump also helps Democrats. Add to that the fact that the butt hurt kids from '16 came out in droves to vote against trump in '20.

"I know you are, but what am I?" won't work this time. Nor will DeathSentence be able to lie about a desire to help the middle class at the expense of the 1%. Remember 'My friends are going to be very angry with me'.? Remember 'On day one, I will get rid of carried interest.'?

Fool me once, as it were.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Angry little AssHat (he calls himself that) is confusing the voices in his head with me.

Fredo is a poor, lonely sole being manipulated by his WSE friends. I expect he'll be in the news within the next year or so as a murder/suicide.

He needs help, but won't get it because 1) he feels he doesn't need it and 2) even if he wanted it, the resources are very limited to give him the help he needs.

Fox News continually makes a big deal about the "fentanyl crisis" but what they never address is the drug addict crisis. Why? Because it's easier to bitch about open borders and Mexican cartels than to push for better mental healthcare.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Angry little AssHat (he calls himself that) is confusing the voices in his head with me.

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Then there are the people who got by on being white men, but were unwilling to work, and had no skill. They are having it tough. They are complaining that it is no fair they can't smoke in their office, or whatever. And honestly, everyone is better off with them gone.

 

[TOP]

You can only treat people like shit for so long before they will just find new jobs. It is called capitalism, and it is why Florida is now has extreme teacher shortages.

They always have the option to leave... but good teachers will not quit... they will adapt... that's really a very important part of being a successful teacher...
They're a teacher shortages everywhere... because it's a really difficult job...

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Angry little AssHat (he calls himself that) is confusing the voices in his head with me.

He has a sad tendency to read into our words things he wishes that we had said, and responds to that. Maybe our for-really-I-AM-even-if-I-write-like-a-fourth-grader "special ed teacher" can help?

 

[Althea]

Why don't Americans want to be teachers? Here is one partial answer; burnout....along with poor pay and too much bullshit on the job.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/22/tea...f-a-burnout-crisis-it-became-intolerable.html

Yes. That's been coming for decades. When I was in school in NYC, and teachers were allowed to put their hands on students, you didn't dare tell your parents or you would get a real beating for being bad in class.


Now, teachers who contact parents over concerns about homework or preparation for class, get pushback from parents (who are probably illiterate) that refuse to believe the problem lies with their kid.

I think it started gradually with latchkey kids. With the necessity of 2 income households, nobody was home to push kids to do schoolwork, or help kids with work that they didn't quite grasp during the school day. That's the best case scenario. Inner city schools just became a free for all.

 

[Althea]

They always have the option to leave... but good teachers will not quit... they will adapt... that's really a very important part of being a successful teacher...
They're a teacher shortages everywhere... because it's a really difficult job...

You can earn more at Walmart than you can in education in some Red states.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not in the least. trump lost by 8 million votes.


Why wouldn't they? You think this nation wants a national book ban? A rewriting of black history?

2016 was an anomaly that was corrected overwhelmingly in '20.

The direct line will be drawn between trump and DeSantis. The latter doesn't have the reality show creds of the former, and the fact that Clinton was 100% correct in every one of her criticisms of trump also helps Democrats. Add to that the fact that the butt hurt kids from '16 came out in droves to vote against trump in '20.

"I know you are, but what am I?" won't work this time. Nor will DeathSentence be able to lie about a desire to help the middle class at the expense of the 1%. Remember 'My friends are going to be very angry with me'.? Remember 'On day one, I will get rid of carried interest.'?

Fool me once, as it were.

Care to make a wager on the November 2024 election? I'm thinking Republican President and the Democrats take back the House plus keep the Senate....both with a very narrow margin.

Why the narrow margin? Because it's not the Democrats or Republicans who determine elections. The largest voting block of American voters determines elections: Independents who recognize that both parties put party politics first and national interests second.

Take a look at the political extremists on JPP to see why Independents aren't happy with their authoritarian, self-serving agendas.

 

[Althea]

I hope that you're right but fear that you're not. Given the fact that most (R) voters are woefully uninformed because they only get their so-called info from highly-partisan sources that tend to praise DeSantis, I can see them flocking to yet another perceived "strong man" ala Trump. Just look at them defending him here on JPP for the proof of that. Most of them are not FL residents.

Republicans/Democrats do not decide elections. Thankfully