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Flint Residents Getting Past Due Notices for Poisoned Water Bills???
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Leonthecat
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Michigan EPA Director Resigns:
Susan Helmand, the EPA director for the state of Michigan, resigned last week in the wake of revelations that she suppressed warnings of elevated levels of lead in the Flint water supply by a lower ranking EPA official.
http://tinyurl.com/js5ptpz
The danger of lead exposure is widespread across the US.
'Documents seen by the Guardian reveal questionable practices that mean people’s drinking water is at risk in ‘every major city east of the Mississippi.’
'Water authorities across the US are systematically distorting water tests to downplay the amount of lead in samples, risking a dangerous spread of the toxic water crisis that has gripped Flint, documents seen by the Guardian show.'
http://tinyurl.com/gkqtsl9
Recent studies show the problem of lead contamination to be widespread in cities and towns throughout the United States. Major cities such as New Orleans, Baltimore, Boston and Detroit are exposed to elevated levels of lead contamination in their homes, soil and water supply. This report supported by the Ford Foundation and the John Merck Fund states:
“...more than 134 million Americans live in the danger zones around 3,433 facilities in several common industries that store or use highly hazardous chemicals.”
http://tinyurl.com/jau66vf
'There are many ways to game the system. In Flint, they went to test neighbourhoods where they knew didn’t have a problem...'
http://tinyurl.com/zv3q88n
Apparently, partisan bickering and bigotries fail to conceal problem. We can redouble the bickering, or we can face the matter like adults… As I see it, money and class-warfare austerity remain the chief and usual suspects.
IMT
Susan Helmand, the EPA director for the state of Michigan, resigned last week in the wake of revelations that she suppressed warnings of elevated levels of lead in the Flint water supply by a lower ranking EPA official.
http://tinyurl.com/js5ptpz
The danger of lead exposure is widespread across the US.
'Documents seen by the Guardian reveal questionable practices that mean people’s drinking water is at risk in ‘every major city east of the Mississippi.’
'Water authorities across the US are systematically distorting water tests to downplay the amount of lead in samples, risking a dangerous spread of the toxic water crisis that has gripped Flint, documents seen by the Guardian show.'
http://tinyurl.com/gkqtsl9
Recent studies show the problem of lead contamination to be widespread in cities and towns throughout the United States. Major cities such as New Orleans, Baltimore, Boston and Detroit are exposed to elevated levels of lead contamination in their homes, soil and water supply. This report supported by the Ford Foundation and the John Merck Fund states:
“...more than 134 million Americans live in the danger zones around 3,433 facilities in several common industries that store or use highly hazardous chemicals.”
http://tinyurl.com/jau66vf
'There are many ways to game the system. In Flint, they went to test neighbourhoods where they knew didn’t have a problem...'
http://tinyurl.com/zv3q88n
Apparently, partisan bickering and bigotries fail to conceal problem. We can redouble the bickering, or we can face the matter like adults… As I see it, money and class-warfare austerity remain the chief and usual suspects.
IMT
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Don't you know this is all ONE republican governors fault. It couldn't possibly be any of the democrats who ran things there. Not a chance. Everyone knows that the democrat party is good and kind and only cares about helping others.
Democrats, with their union backers, bankrupted the state of Michigan. Then democrats disregarded the health of their citizenry, and charged them for it, to try and get themselves (themselves being beurecats and their union cronies) out of financial ruin.
All of this is verifiably true- likewise true however is that Snyder is the the governor who pushed legislation through to give Emergency Managers the power to do what they deem neccesary with basically no oversight. Snyder owns this mess!
All of this is verifiably true- likewise true however is that Snyder is the the governor who pushed legislation through to give Emergency Managers the power to do what they deem neccesary with basically no oversight. Snyder owns this mess!
evince
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The water wasn't treated properly and it was thus contaminated when it went through the pipes.
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LMAO... typical nonsense... The Governor was not running the city. He did indeed make the same mistake as most left wing nuts and put a DEMOCRAT in charge of running the city.
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Dear I Love America:
Some may pin this on the Honorable Governor Snyder, but I certainly haven’t. However I have seen concerted efforts to absolve the good Governor of responsibility in this. I have argued that there is plenty of responsibility to share. [see paragraph 2].
But I also identify the real culprit as the ruling class austerity/budget attack on the working class.
Flint was in poverty and going broke. Since the 80s, it lost 75% of its property tax base. It butchered its police force in ’07. Water costs were rising, and the population decreasing. Does one pay retiree pensions and/or health care, or pave a few streets? If it tried to met its billion dollar obligation in unfunded pension costs, could Flint fill a single police cruiser with a tank of gasoline? The 'crime' is that such dilemmas must ever be faced at all!
Flint faced the same, difficult choices every year. How do you choose between a city going bankrupt, or making cost-saving changes that potentially imperil life? It is understandable that locals could not do that.
Enter the Emergency Manager scheme.
But what is the issue here? Is it the EM scheme itself? Is it the partisanship of any particular Mayor, City Manager, or Governor?
Again, the culprit is the whole austerity/budget attack on whole communities of working people. That is what politicians of no stripe or color will address. They refuse to address the much deeper issue of decades of de-industrialization, budget cuts at the local and federal level, and the decay of infrastructure.
As I see it, we are only BEGINNING to see the consequences of those cost-cutting measures, given away as tax breaks to wealthy multi-national corporations. Flint can happen anywhere. In time, it will. We all have an interest in Flint.
The partisan squabbling is a deliberate attack on working class people and communities. Partisan bickering:
[1] Deliberately obscures the origin of this class attack on the livelihoods and security of whole population groups.
[2] Intentionally misdirects proper and very justifiable public outrage into harmless partisanship,
[3] Encourages working class people to fight among themselves which thereby
[4] Prevents organization a proper class response to a system which has not, will not, and cannot serve working people and their families and communities.
The Honorable Rick Snyder’s we have ‘failed’ you speech seeks to postulate himself as part of the solution to this matter.
I’m not sure Flint’s residents should consent to the involvement of Governor Snyder, or President Obama, or Mayor Weaver, or the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. Partnership with any of them is defeat. I think people of Flint should stand on their own feet and instruct all of them to step aside as they develop their own response to the crisis.
Who supports the austerity agenda? The entire political establishment! And if Flint is defeated, it will license others with similar trusts nationwide to take no real action as infrastructure crumbles and crises unfold across the union while both municipal and state government bankruptcies multiply and their treasures are looted by the bourgeoisie at bargain-basement prices.
The Flint crisis is NOT a partisan question. It is not a black versus white question. It is not a suburban or city question. It is a class question. NO to Republicans! NO to Democrats! NO to big money! NO to Weaver! NO to Snyder! NO to Obama!
That may be understood more widely after the upcoming emergency meeting on the ongoing crisis in Flint and Detroit.
For the rest of us, the question is, ‘who will stand with the people of Flint.’
IMT
Some may pin this on the Honorable Governor Snyder, but I certainly haven’t. However I have seen concerted efforts to absolve the good Governor of responsibility in this. I have argued that there is plenty of responsibility to share. [see paragraph 2].
But I also identify the real culprit as the ruling class austerity/budget attack on the working class.
Flint was in poverty and going broke. Since the 80s, it lost 75% of its property tax base. It butchered its police force in ’07. Water costs were rising, and the population decreasing. Does one pay retiree pensions and/or health care, or pave a few streets? If it tried to met its billion dollar obligation in unfunded pension costs, could Flint fill a single police cruiser with a tank of gasoline? The 'crime' is that such dilemmas must ever be faced at all!
Flint faced the same, difficult choices every year. How do you choose between a city going bankrupt, or making cost-saving changes that potentially imperil life? It is understandable that locals could not do that.
Enter the Emergency Manager scheme.
But what is the issue here? Is it the EM scheme itself? Is it the partisanship of any particular Mayor, City Manager, or Governor?
Again, the culprit is the whole austerity/budget attack on whole communities of working people. That is what politicians of no stripe or color will address. They refuse to address the much deeper issue of decades of de-industrialization, budget cuts at the local and federal level, and the decay of infrastructure.
As I see it, we are only BEGINNING to see the consequences of those cost-cutting measures, given away as tax breaks to wealthy multi-national corporations. Flint can happen anywhere. In time, it will. We all have an interest in Flint.
The partisan squabbling is a deliberate attack on working class people and communities. Partisan bickering:
[1] Deliberately obscures the origin of this class attack on the livelihoods and security of whole population groups.
[2] Intentionally misdirects proper and very justifiable public outrage into harmless partisanship,
[3] Encourages working class people to fight among themselves which thereby
[4] Prevents organization a proper class response to a system which has not, will not, and cannot serve working people and their families and communities.
The Honorable Rick Snyder’s we have ‘failed’ you speech seeks to postulate himself as part of the solution to this matter.
I’m not sure Flint’s residents should consent to the involvement of Governor Snyder, or President Obama, or Mayor Weaver, or the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. Partnership with any of them is defeat. I think people of Flint should stand on their own feet and instruct all of them to step aside as they develop their own response to the crisis.
Who supports the austerity agenda? The entire political establishment! And if Flint is defeated, it will license others with similar trusts nationwide to take no real action as infrastructure crumbles and crises unfold across the union while both municipal and state government bankruptcies multiply and their treasures are looted by the bourgeoisie at bargain-basement prices.
The Flint crisis is NOT a partisan question. It is not a black versus white question. It is not a suburban or city question. It is a class question. NO to Republicans! NO to Democrats! NO to big money! NO to Weaver! NO to Snyder! NO to Obama!
That may be understood more widely after the upcoming emergency meeting on the ongoing crisis in Flint and Detroit.
For the rest of us, the question is, ‘who will stand with the people of Flint.’
IMT
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Dear evince:
Sorry to break it to you like this, but some of the most viciously draconian budget cuts have come from Democratic Party strongholds. Some of the most repressive police action has come from communities under Democratic mayoral administration.
You must come to terms with that. You simply cannot stand with working people while accepting the liability of the Democratic Party. With the Republican Party, the Democratic Party is equally a party beholden to the US bourgeoisie.
IMT
Sorry to break it to you like this, but some of the most viciously draconian budget cuts have come from Democratic Party strongholds. Some of the most repressive police action has come from communities under Democratic mayoral administration.
You must come to terms with that. You simply cannot stand with working people while accepting the liability of the Democratic Party. With the Republican Party, the Democratic Party is equally a party beholden to the US bourgeoisie.
IMT
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Does the local government have any responsibility? If not then why even have them? I get it, democrats run the show in Michigan and in Flint (10th most liberal city) and you want to blame the GOP?
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
The bad decision was all on the state and specifically the governors office.
Revealed: Environmental officials warned Snyder administration not to use water that poisoned Flint
A plan to use the Flint River as Flint, Michigan’s primary water source was initially rejected by a commission appointed by the state’s Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, but the governor’s office overruled officials and carried the plan forward anyway.
According to The Daily Beast, Flint’s emergency manager rejected the plan to go off of Detroit city water and use water from the Flint in 2012. However, Snyder’s office overruled that objection and used water from the Flint anyway, setting in motion a chain of events that has led to a lead contamination crisis.
Curt Guyette of the Michigan ACLU wrote that Snyder tasked Flint emergency manager Ed Kurtz and city financial manager Jerry Ambrose with restructuring Flint’s city government to cut costs, one of which was the city’s reliance on water from Detroit for its municipal water.
Ambrose testified under oath in 2014 that Kurtz considered using water from the Flint River for the city’s drinking water, but rejected it after consulting the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality. The plan was found “not to be feasible,” Ambrose told attorney Alec Gibbs during a trial over a separate Snyder administration imbroglio.
“Who determined it wasn’t feasible?” Gibbs asked.
“It was a collective decision of the emergency management team based on conversations with the MDEQ that indicated they would not be supportive of the use of the Flint River on a long-term basis as a primary source of water,” replied the embattled financial manager.
“What was the reason they gave?” asked Gibbs.
“You’ll have to ask them,” Ambrose dodged.
Guyette wrote, “How could the river that was rejected as Flint’s permanent water source in December 2012 suddenly become suitable for consumption a mere 16 months later?”
Howard Croft — former Flint director of public works — told the ACLU of Michigan that the decision to use the corrosive water came straight from Snyder’s office.
In his ACLU interview, Croft said that the decision to go against the environmental department’s warning was financially motivated and that responsibility goes “(a)ll the way to the governor’s office.”
Snyder has also been less-than-forthcoming regarding the final decision to cut off the flow of water from Detroit. The city of Detroit offered to continue to work with Flint, but Snyder has publicly maintained that Detroit refused to continue to provide water for Flint.
“If the governor really wants to come clean he needs to start telling the whole truth,” Guyette said, “not just convenient pieces of it.”
He went on to call for the release of all of Snyder’s emails regarding the matter, rather than the hand-chosen cache of correspondence Snyder has already made public.
“Snyder can help shed light on that by releasing all of his emails — both from both his government account and any personal email accounts that he might have used to conduct state business — going back to at least as early as the start of 2012 when members of his own administration considered and rejected using Flint’s river,” Guyette continued.
“Given his willingness to release two years’ worth of emails, turning over documents from another two years should be no problem for a governor committed to transparency.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/rev...tration-not-to-use-water-that-poisoned-flint/
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Nobody rational uses Raw Story as a news source, it is the Left's version of Newsmax and Fox News.
PostmodernProphet
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sorry but almost none of that is true......
1) The Emergency Managers Act went into effect in 1988 after being signed by Democrat governor Blanchard. Its first use was the city of Benton Harbor (Dems). Its most notorious use was in Detroit (Dem governor Granholm)
2) The state Congress has oversight of the managers
3) The state of Michigan has never been bankrupt.......in fact we've had balanced budgets every year since Snyder got elected.....he was re-elected easily in 2014.
4) Every municipality or school district that has gone bankrupt or went into receivership was run by Democrats.....
PostmodernProphet
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the Democrats control the administration, desh.......