Flint Residents Getting Past Due Notices for Poisoned Water Bills???

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...l-water-rules-not-followed-in-flint/74207204/




State admits mistakes in Flint water switch



John Wisely and Robin Erb, Detroit Free Press 1:05 p.m. EDT October 19, 2015




FLINT — The State of Michigan has removed its top drinking water quality official and admitted it botched corrosion control in Flint water pipes, which resulted in elevated lead levels in the city's water system.

"Simply stated, staff employed a federal protocol they believed was appropriate, and it was not," Dan Wyant, director of the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, said in a statement. "The water testing steps followed would have been correct for a city of less than 50,000 people, but not for a city of nearly 100,000."

Wyant announced that his top deputy, Jim Sygo, would step in as interim chief of the department's Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance, replacing Liane Shekter Smith, who has been reassigned while the state reviews the problems in Flint.

Wyant said that Gov. Rick Snyder has called for a third-party review of the process but Senate Minority Leader Jim Ananich (D–Flint) said in a statement that the state short-changed the safety of Flint residents.
“ It is clear from several, now available documents, that certain MDEQ and EPA staff chose to put their reputations ahead of the safety and health of Flint citizens, Ananich said. "We do not know whether the misapplication of federal rules was intentional or due to negligence. That’s why the Legislature needs to have a robust role in any investigation, and in ensuring those responsible for Flint’s water crisis are held accountable.”

At issue are chemicals added to municipal water systems to reduce corrosion in pipes.

For decades Flint bought its water from the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department, which has controlled corrosion since the early 1990's by adding phosphates to the water.

Last year, Flint left the Detroit system and began using its backup water source, the Flint River, as its main supply. But when the city treated that river water in its water plant, it never added phosphates as Detroit had done. What's more, researchers from Virginia Tech tested the Flint River water and concluded it was 19 times more corrosive than the water Detroit was supplying.

On Friday, Flint reconnected to Detroit water with the help of $12 million from the state, the C.S. Mott Foundation and the city.

The State Department of Environmental Quality is charged with monitoring water quality and ordered Flint —after the switch to the Flint River last year —to begin two rounds of water testing, each six months long, to check lead levels.

That testing is appropriate for systems that serve fewer than 50,000 people, but Flint has almost 100,000 users and federal protocols call for what's known as "optimized corrosion control," which is typically achieved by adding phosphates.

"Our staff was very clearly confused," MDEQ spokesman Brad Wurfel told the Free Press this morning, adding the state had never overseen a water source switch on a system as large as Flint's.

The river water was viewed as a temporary source until the new Karegnondi Water Authority completes a pipleline that will bring water from Lake Huron to Flint for treatment and distribution to Flint users.

"We will learn from this," Wyant said. "We will make necessary changes to see to it that our program becomes a national leader in public health protection."
 
So desh can't handle the FACTS... So she runs away from answering questions... just like she did on the racism thread. Desh hates FACTS
 
Dear evince:

Trolls, hacks, political operatives -- and occasionally law enforcement types -- are facts of life on internet boards. So don't get bent out of shape by and/or caught up in partisan bigotries.

Participation on such sites isn't about changing or opening minds to 'facts' per se. In time, people may shift their perspective; but they'll do it on their own--not because we managed to 'get the last word' or 'shut them down.' As I see it, what we do on internet fora is more about promoting perspective that may facilitate paradigmatic change -- when people are ready to do it.

The Fint water crisis matters; but it matters more as a symptom than not.

The real issue behind not only Flint's water but also Detroit schools and factory closures/unemployment nation-wide [indeed worldwide], the collapse of democracy/militarization of police, war as standing policy, preparations for WW III, etc. -- is class warfare practiced by the ownership/investment/banking class [the bourgeoisie] against the working class.

These and other 'issues' are battle fields on which class struggle occurs over and over. Otherwise put, we end up fighting the same class battles over again on every issue. And we all know this, even if we don't express it in exactly those terms.

Class struggle is initiated NOT by Democrats alone, but by two our two big_business/big_money/bourgeoisie parties, Republicans and Democrats together. The bourgeoisie [the ownership/investment/banking class] is DESPERATE to conceal this. That is why it is necessary that our whole society be hopelessly divided everywhere by partisan bigotries.

So long as issues of race, partisanship and/or nativist/nationalist narratives keep Republicans/Democrats at each others throat, the bourgeoisie feels comparatively safe.

The ownership/investment/banking class is terrified at the thought of the working class rising above those bigotries and uniting AS a class AGAINST the austerity/repression/war program which sustains their privileged role in society.

My observation has been, evince, that when this is made clear, when it is obvious that one won’t be drawn into partisan bigotries but is committed to working class solidarity, the hacks and trolls tend to give you wide birth. In effect, this steps outside whole political process. If you cannot and will not be drawn into that this attack on working people, interest in you tends to drop markedly. You can no longer be manipulated.

That said, the Democratic Party and liberal democracy is as much the failure as the most right-wing Republicans tell you. But again, the Democratic Party is not alone here. As much as Republicans may loath to say it, they need the Democratic Party. Without the Democratic Party to channel public outrage back into the political system, an immediate, massive defection to socialism would follow. The Republican Party would collapse before one month passed. Let it happen. We need neither party.

Never forget that whatever a few, ineffectual objectors otherwise protest here or there, the austerity/repression/war program is supported by the WHOLE ruling class. The REAL issue is not Flint's water, domestic surveillance/suppression, etc. Make BOTH parties EQUALLY answerable for the attack on the working class nationwide.

'Issues' are places from which to illustrate class oppression. Flint is but one case in point. NO one is developing effective solutions to the crisis, and NEITHER party is concerned. Detroit's crumbling schools [literally] are another case in point. NEITHER party is concerned. But NEITHER party is invested in EITHER issue. OR any other issue.

People are astonished that Darnell Earley's name is referenced in both the Flint water crisis and the assault on Detroit public school teachers. I honestly find that amusing. For me, this is a palm-smack to the forehead moment as I ask, 'how could this possibly comes as a surprise?

Flint's children drank lead-laced water on Mr. Earley's 'emergency manager' watch. Yet now Mr. Earley accuses Detroit teachers of hurting their students because they stage sickouts in protest of unheated rooms where rats and roaches run freely, collapsing ceilings, black mold and more.

The political class WANTS you to make this a Republican/Democratic issue.

In fact, the whole austerity agenda everywhere and on every issue is an indictment of the criminality of our capitalist system which is supported by the WHOLE ruling class -- Republican AND Democrat equally.

What you see is the very BEST that capitalism can give you in times of economic contraction. Capitalism has NO solutions to the problems which are inherent in capitalism. Moreover, Flint and Detroit are only the beginning. Baltimore will follow. And Chicago. And Cleveland. And the list goes on endlessly.

Eventually, people will realize this and step outside the political system and become responsible for their own lives. That is the way forward. I’m waiting to see what happens in the upcoming emergency meeting.

IMT
 
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Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder takes responsibility for Flint’s water crisis: “I let you down"
"I let you down".
He is going to prison.
 
i've never been to michigan before but is the entire flint river contaminated with lead or was it just where they were collecting the water from? Could they have piped in the water from a different location further upstream? If that river is that polluted do people swim in, boat in it and things like that? Also wouldn't the water have gone through a treatment plant first if its coming from a river?
 
i've never been to michigan before but is the entire flint river contaminated with lead or was it just where they were collecting the water from? Could they have piped in the water from a different location further upstream? If that river is that polluted do people swim in, boat in it and things like that? Also wouldn't the water have gone through a treatment plant first if its coming from a river?

The water is not full of lead, the water is corrosive and the corrosive water caused the pipes to corrode and leach lead into the water.
 
i've never been to michigan before but is the entire flint river contaminated with lead or was it just where they were collecting the water from? Could they have piped in the water from a different location further upstream? If that river is that polluted do people swim in, boat in it and things like that? Also wouldn't the water have gone through a treatment plant first if its coming from a river?

The river isn't polluted with lead, it's highly corrosive and seeps lead in from the lead pipes used to bring it into the city. The old water source wasn't.
 
You seem to keep forgetting that the governor decided the people of flint needed to have their rights taken away and took charge of the city

that wasn't the governor.......that was the laws of the state......which have been in place all the way back to the days we were run by Democrats........
 
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