First October Surprise???

Superfreak said:
Fair enough.



The demographics are what they are. There is nothing and I do mean NOTHING racist about requiring ID's to vote. What is racist is pretending that minorities aren't capable of getting ID's. Given everything that requires IDs these days.... including getting a job... I would think you would be an advocate for ensuring everyone had an ID, rather than continuing the nonstop whining that IDs are just so hard to get for minorities.

Again, as stated, there is every bit as much racism from the left as the right. You simply refuse to acknowledge that. You want to pretend it is otherwise because you, like most on the right, don't want to be seen in the same ballpark as a racist.

the really sad part is that the Dems support the idea of continued dependency on the government. Keeping the poor in their place. Given the percentages of minorities that fall into this category, it is truly sad to see how they continue to support the party that wishes to keep them down. The party that doesn't want them to have a choice of schools to give their kids a better chance. The party that under Clinton and Obama have pushed hard on a drug war that disproportionately hammers young minorities. So do tell... why do minorities support the Dems in such large numbers?
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Seriously brother .. if you need an answer to that then you are completely disconnected from the world that minorities live in.

Start here: Democrats had more elected officials in Congress in 1970 than republicans have had in Congress COLLECTIVELY since the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Are you of the opinion that African-Americans don't need African-American leadership in government?

Do you want to have a real discussion, or is this just a placebo to make yourself feel better about voting for a party full of racists. I don't accuse you of racism, I never have, never will. But there are GLARING, Godzilla in the room truths about the party that you support.

I can quite easily define and point out the glaring racism of the right. You claim that the left is equally racist ... point it out. I'm not just talking about the thoughts and opinions of individuals, I'm talking about the actions of a political party.

Where is the evidence of citizens trying to fraudulently vote in a country where 90 million citizens will choose not to vote at all in the upcoming elections? You're just deluding yourself if you don't think voter id isn't racially motivated.

You cannot possibly be this unaware of the racism of the right. That's not possible.

I think you're just looking for a placebo.

And, no, Hell to the NO .. demographics aren't just what they are. You're running from the truth.
 
blackascoal said:
Seriously brother .. if you need an answer to that then you are completely disconnected from the world that minorities live in.

Start here: Democrats had more elected officials in Congress in 1970 than republicans have had in Congress COLLECTIVELY since the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Are you of the opinion that African-Americans don't need African-American leadership in government?

Do you want to have a real discussion, or is this just a placebo to make yourself feel better about voting for a party full of racists. I don't accuse you of racism, I never have, never will. But there are GLARING, Godzilla in the room truths about the party that you support.

I can quite easily define and point out the glaring racism of the right. You claim that the left is equally racist ... point it out. I'm not just talking about the thoughts and opinions of individuals, I'm talking about the actions of a political party.

Where is the evidence of citizens trying to fraudulently vote in a country where 90 million citizens will choose not to vote at all in the upcoming elections? You're just deluding yourself if you don't think voter id isn't racially motivated.

You cannot possibly be this unaware of the racism of the right. That's not possible.

I think you're just looking for a placebo.

And, no, Hell to the NO .. demographics aren't just what they are. You're running from the truth.
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I don't disagree that the majority of minorities elected have been Dems. Given the majority of the minorities tend to vote Dem that is a self perpetuating cycle. I am asking you WHY do they continue to support a party that wishes to keep them down?

Again... and for the final time... I am not any more a Rep than you are a Dem. If you continue to insist it is otherwise, then perhaps you don't really want to have an honest discussion. I don't support the Reps, though I will tend to have more in common with their economic views than I will with Dems.

You want evidence of racism on the left, just look to what happens every time Obama is criticized. The left immediately chants the criticism is racism. They are fixated on the race of individuals. I know you don't think reverse racism exists, but any time anyone of any color makes a decision based on race, it most certainly does exist. That you find it acceptable from minorities doesn't make it any less true. You can also look at the racial problems between Blacks and Hispanics. etc...

Again, an ID requirement is not racist. What is racist is not getting those without ID's an ID. The amount of people who choose not to vote in this bullshit two party system has nothing to do with whether or not IDs should be required. We require IDs to get a job... why would you not want to provide them with IDs? What is the left so scared of?

Actually the demographics are what they are. It is self perpetuating. Just look how fast a black man who says 'I am a Republican (or voting for one)' gets called an 'Uncle Tom' or is told 'he is voting against his interests'. As if the entire black community must vote solely for Dems. Again, I ask you why this is? Why do they continue to support a party that has done little to give them a hand up? Instead the Dems love giving the hand out... because that creates dependency and you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Tell me... why do Dems so adamantly oppose school choice?
 
Superfreak said:
I don't disagree that the majority of minorities elected have been Dems. Given the majority of the minorities tend to vote Dem that is a self perpetuating cycle. I am asking you WHY do they continue to support a party that wishes to keep them down?
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It's real simple. They support democrats because they support their issues. Republicans do not. How much more simple is required?

Are you aware that at one point is history Afgrican-Americans supported republicans more than democrats? Have you ever heard of the southern strategy .. and if you have, where in the hell is your confusion coming from.

It makes no sense that you're evn confused.

Again... and for the final time... I am not any more a Rep than you are a Dem. If you continue to insist it is otherwise, then perhaps you don't really want to have an honest discussion. I don't support the Reps, though I will tend to have more in common with their economic views than I will with Dems.
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I did not call it YOUR party, I said the party that you support .. and you do. I criticize Obama .. AND I won't be voting for him, not do I challenge why anyone would vote for Romney. Obviously there is a huge difference between our approaches.

You want evidence of racism on the left, just look to what happens every time Obama is criticized. The left immediately chants the criticism is racism. They are fixated on the race of individuals. I know you don't think reverse racism exists, but any time anyone of any color makes a decision based on race, it most certainly does exist. That you find it acceptable from minorities doesn't make it any less true. You can also look at the racial problems between Blacks and Hispanics. etc...
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That isn't racism brother. Is that all you've got? You can justifiablt accuse some of misjudgement or mischaracterization of Obama criticism, but that's a long ass way from racism .. AND, the right has given them every reason to question their critique of Obama. Amidst all the goofy ass gutter language and racist characterizations of Obama coming from the right, why if the world would you be surprised by charges of racism? Adain, that makes no sense whatsoever.

That is not an indication of racism .. just as I knew that when pushed to define leftisr racism, you couldn't do it.

Again, an ID requirement is not racist. What is racist is not getting those without ID's an ID. The amount of people who choose not to vote in this bullshit two party system has nothing to do with whether or not IDs should be required. We require IDs to get a job... why would you not want to provide them with IDs? What is the left so scared of?
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Bullshit .. and the fact thet you're swallowing this bullshit is disappointing. Demonstrate the known cases of voter fraud. Surely this should be real easy for you to do given that you're just so sure that trying to keep people from voting has nothing to do with racism.

It's difficult to have a real discussion with you brother because you can't prove anything you're talking about. There are no cases ofd widespread voting fraud. This is a tactic the right has used since the beginning of time. My own father faced "how many bubbles in a bar of soap in Florida in his youth. You don't see it because you don't want to. Again, disappointing.

Actually the demographics are what they are. It is self perpetuating. Just look how fast a black man who says 'I am a Republican (or voting for one)' gets called an 'Uncle Tom' or is told 'he is voting against his interests'. As if the entire black community must vote solely for Dems. Again, I ask you why this is? Why do they continue to support a party that has done little to give them a hand up? Instead the Dems love giving the hand out... because that creates dependency and you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Tell me... why do Dems so adamantly oppose school choice?
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You really aren't intersted in real conversation. Trying to blame republican whiteness on someone calling a black man names is just too ridiculous to respond to.
 
Jarod said:
What I found racist about it was the commentary I saw on television last night painting the president as an angrey black man. He did not appear angery in the video at all. His tone may have had a bit of black dialect to it, but all skilled speakers change the tone a bit to mimic the audience. I saw a video last night of Newt going on and on about how the President is not a "real President" because he plays basketball and does not have a good work ethic, and newt mentioned a few times that he does not understand the President's "rythum". Now I belive this is the first time I have called the presidents detractors racist, because honestly I often do not see it when others do, but this time it was clear to me.
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Juan Williams even accused Hannity and Drudge of playing the race card with their pitiful "listen to his accent" attacks.

How desperate the Right has become...
 
Superfreak said:
I don't disagree that the majority of minorities elected have been Dems. Given the majority of the minorities tend to vote Dem that is a self perpetuating cycle. I am asking you WHY do they continue to support a party that wishes to keep them down?

Again... and for the final time... I am not any more a Rep than you are a Dem. If you continue to insist it is otherwise, then perhaps you don't really want to have an honest discussion. I don't support the Reps, though I will tend to have more in common with their economic views than I will with Dems.

You want evidence of racism on the left, just look to what happens every time Obama is criticized. The left immediately chants the criticism is racism. They are fixated on the race of individuals. I know you don't think reverse racism exists, but any time anyone of any color makes a decision based on race, it most certainly does exist. That you find it acceptable from minorities doesn't make it any less true. You can also look at the racial problems between Blacks and Hispanics. etc...

Again, an ID requirement is not racist. What is racist is not getting those without ID's an ID. The amount of people who choose not to vote in this bullshit two party system has nothing to do with whether or not IDs should be required. We require IDs to get a job... why would you not want to provide them with IDs? What is the left so scared of?

Actually the demographics are what they are. It is self perpetuating. Just look how fast a black man who says 'I am a Republican (or voting for one)' gets called an 'Uncle Tom' or is told 'he is voting against his interests'. As if the entire black community must vote solely for Dems. Again, I ask you why this is? Why do they continue to support a party that has done little to give them a hand up? Instead the Dems love giving the hand out... because that creates dependency and you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Tell me... why do Dems so adamantly oppose school choice?
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What better "hand up" than the Civil Rights Act? Why do you consider helping to be a hand out? When someone requires help the proper thing to do is give them the help they request, not the kind of help you assume they require. This idea of dependency and people not wanting to work is nonsense. How many people are offered a job and turn it down? That should be the standard to judge if one is lazy, not the fact they can't find a job.

What better "hand up" than the Voting Rights Act? "Specifically, Congress intended the Act to outlaw the practice of requiring otherwise qualified voters to pass literacy tests in order to register to vote, a principal means by which Southern states had prevented African Americans from exercising the franchise."

Why oppose school choice as in vouchers? Because the best schools fill up and getting ones child an education should not be a contest or competition. Why should a child's education depend on the money and connections their parents have?

Any so-called dependency on the government is due to the fact some people require help. Remove the need and you remove the dependency. Instead of thinking remove the help and people will find jobs how about helping them find a job and then remove the help? The latter is the logical solution because those who don't find a job will needlessly suffer.
 
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General Buck Turgidson said:
How can it be a "surprise" when the speech was given before a public audience that included the press, was reported on at the time it was delivered and has been on youtube pretty much since then?
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isn't it interesting that it's been on youtube since 07 and none of you ever looked at it?.......personally I think this is much more significant than what Romney did when he was in high school and a reporter had to go out and dig that up......why didn't a reporter dig this up when it was so much easier to find.....
 
Superfreak said:
I think you meant to say 'that is what the Democrats have done repeatedly'...

But I know... you only seek 'truth' as long as it doesn't make your party look bad. When the 'truth' makes your messiah look bad, THEN we should just ignore it or pretend the right is all racist.
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Your base is racist.

just take a look at the last big pretend outrage over the tape of Obama talking to a black crowd about Katrina
 
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