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Until someone else's bombs start to fall in your back yard.....then you'll cry, "but where is OUR military".....

Oh, please. The "smoking gun" and "mushroom cloud" have been used up. Let's try something different.

Remember all the talk about some "secret source" telling the allies Sadam was building nuclear weapons and had travelling biological labs and all the other bullshit? It turned out the "secret source" was Saddam's political opponent! Who, in their right mind, would act on that information without checking it first?

"He could have bombs." "He might have bombs." "I heard he had bombs." "I believe the tubes are to be used for bomb making." A lot of nothing! 8 years of war for nothing!

If the military wants to spend money spend it on decent intelligence gathering and leave war until they KNOW something. That would be a good start.
 
The military hated Bush believe it or not.

only some nut wing christain generals still stand with him
 
So you think the military isn't using bombs under Obama? Odd... you might want to trot on over to Afghanistan and Pakistan and let them know that it isn't us.

Of course Obama is using bombs. Now that the troops are in Afghanistan and being attacked he has to do something. The point is the troops shouldn't be there in the first place and that's why they're slowly being withdrawn. Of course, we have the war mongers saying the troops are running away. The US will appear weak. Just more bullshit to prolong the war.

Whatever Obama may be doing he's not shooting off his mouth about spreading democracy. In fact, he's trying to bring the troops home. That change, alone, in foreign policy is a major new direction but, like everything else, the Repubs put a spin on it saying the terrorists will think they won. Let the terrorists think whatever they want. If they become a threat to the west we have more than sufficient fire power to deal with it. Let them rant and rave. Let countries run their affairs any way they want. It's not our business.
 
Of course Obama is using bombs. Now that the troops are in Afghanistan and being attacked he has to do something. The point is the troops shouldn't be there in the first place and that's why they're slowly being withdrawn. Of course, we have the war mongers saying the troops are running away. The US will appear weak. Just more bullshit to prolong the war.

LMAO... so tell us apple... how many troops were in Afghanistan when Obama came to office vs. how many are there now? So bombs are now ok because Obama is in office and he 'has to do something', but when troops were in Iraq it was evil for Bush to use bombs to protect the troops? Is that your stance?

Whatever Obama may be doing he's not shooting off his mouth about spreading democracy. In fact, he's trying to bring the troops home.

LOL... it was Obama that expanded troop presence in Afghanistan. As for Iraq, he simply followed the plan put in place by Bush and the Iraqi government.

As for shooting his mouth off... I am guessing you never heard his Arab Spring speech.

That change, alone, in foreign policy is a major new direction but, like everything else, the Repubs put a spin on it saying the terrorists will think they won. Let the terrorists think whatever they want. If they become a threat to the west we have more than sufficient fire power to deal with it. Let them rant and rave. Let countries run their affairs any way they want. It's not our business.

and yet Obama got us involved in Libya... that turned out well

GITMO is still open
Drones are bombing more and more
Sabers are rattling on Syria

But you ignore all this and pretend Obama is somehow different than Bush. Amusing.
 
Intelligent human beings who live in the real world understand that the financial hole dug for Obama was deeper than anyone knew.

Yet Obama kept on digging, rather than helping the nation climb up out of the hole.

Intelligent human beings who live in the real world understand that the financial hole dug for Obama mandated spending on "frivolous" government expenditures like unemployment insurance, food stamps and programs that actually HELP We, the People survive the crisis.

Intelligent human beings know that continually expanding benefits doesn't encourage people to find work or retrain for a new field. Intelligent people understand that you have to actually set the stage for job creation in order to get people back off of the unemployment and food stamps etc...

Intelligent people understand that when the economy sucks and jobs are being lost, the number one priority should be on JOBS... not on pet projects of one party or the other.

Intelligent human beings who live in the real world understand that the financial hole dug for Obama created loss of revenues from people who lost their jobs due to nothing they did.

Intelligent human beings understand that you will NEVER get that revenue back until those people return to work. Which is again why it should have been a top priority rather than a campaign slogan four years later.

Intelligent human beings who live in the real world would not include you.

Quite the contrary... it is you who has created a fantasy world where Obama is just awesome on a fiscal level.

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Thanks for proving that Obama has sucked and did not live up to his pledge to cut the deficit in half (a deficit that was at $500B when he made that pledge).

Four straight years of $1T+ deficits
Four straight years where deficit spending relative to GDP exceeded 7.5%
 
LMAO... so tell us apple... how many troops were in Afghanistan when Obama came to office vs. how many are there now? So bombs are now ok because Obama is in office and he 'has to do something', but when troops were in Iraq it was evil for Bush to use bombs to protect the troops? Is that your stance?

It looks like we'll have to start at square one. When Afghanistan was invaded all the security forces in that country were abolished. In other words no army, no police, etc. Total anarchy. That allows any foreign power or corrupt domestic power to take over unless the allies are there to govern, supervise, keep control. The allies thought that once the government was removed the citizens would simply fall into line and adopt democracy/western ways. Oops, wrong guess as we've seen the occasional Afghan citizens that were trained by the allies end up turning their guns on the allies. Traitors in the ranks, so to say.

So, who are the traitors? Are there traitors just waiting out the time till the allies leave? Is it 10 years now? We're still told the Afghans are not ready to protect their country. Is it that they're not ready to protect their country or is it a case of them not wanting to enforce western laws? The point being when the allies leave Afghanistan may become worse than it was before they invaded. This situation was not started by Obama so he's walking the path of fighting the foreign and corrupt domestic powers that want to take over while, at the same time, trying to leave. The foreign and corrupt domestic powers know the allies (Obama) are leaving so doesn't it look better for them to keep up the fight and make it appear they drove the allies out?

LOL... it was Obama that expanded troop presence in Afghanistan. As for Iraq, he simply followed the plan put in place by Bush and the Iraqi government.

How many plans have been put in place over the years? Withdraw. Surge. Withdraw. Surge. Throw in a new President or whatever they call their leader over there. Wait a few months. Change leaders. One more surge for good luck. Change the guy in charge of the troops. Try another plan. On and on and on it goes.

Yes, Obama is following Bush's plan which just happened to be the last plan before Bush left office. It is a plan to get the troops out. Would it have been the Repub's final plan if the Repubs had won in 2008? That's the question because Bush and the Repubs had a multitude of plans over the years all supposedly to get the troops out but they never left. The plan was always changed. The point is Obama is following it. He's slowly getting the troops out just as he did in Iraq. That's the goal.

and yet Obama got us involved in Libya... that turned out well

GITMO is still open
Drones are bombing more and more
Sabers are rattling on Syria

But you ignore all this and pretend Obama is somehow different than Bush. Amusing.

Yes, he is different than Bush. How many troops are in Libya and Syria? Has major infrastructure been damaged by US bombs like what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq? Are troops in those countries rebuilding and getting blown up by IEDs?

Obama is quite different than Bush. A sign of strength is not the number of blown off arms and legs or the number of trips to the Arlington Cemetery. A sign of strength is getting bin Laden while he's abusing himself with a Playboy magazine. (I seem to recall hearing he had a collection of them.) :dunno:

Look at the uproar over Benghazi. While it was a tragedy and hearings are being conducted maybe open warfare wasn't the prudent thing to do. Who are the "good guys" over there, anyway? The government? The rebels? The terrorists? The muslims who just saw the movie? Troops could have been sent in and ended up in a trap. The perpetrators could have used the embassy staff as hostages as well as the troops. Another '79 Iran? Or one more all-out war with the current shortage of troops?

While Bush was building permanent bases Obama is trying to get out. Iraq. Afghanistan. Syria. Egypt. Iran. Where will it end? Obama knows that's not the place to be and the last thing he wants is another conflict. When the US runs out of troops what do you think will be used?

Being in that area is like sitting in a bar and seeing a dozen bikers walk in and start exchanging words with a rival gang already there. It's best to just leave your beer on the table and quietly exit. You can take my word for that. :ouch:
 
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