Finally some judicial sanity on Civil War memorials.

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"(CNN)A Virginia judge has ruled that statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson in Charlottesville are war monuments that the city cannot remove without permission from the state.
In a nine-page ruling obtained from the University of Virginia School of Law website, Circuit Court Judge Richard E. Moore said neither the intentions of the people who erected the statues nor how they make people feel change the fact that the statues pay homage to the Civil War. Moore cited state code in his ruling that says it is illegal for municipalities to remove such monuments to war.
"I find this conclusion inescapable," Moore said. "It is the very reason the statues have been complained about from the beginning. It does no good pretending they are something other than what they actually are." "
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/30/us/charlottesville-confederate-monuments-ruling/index.html

Let the PC whining begin.
 
The Taliban and the radical Democrat Socialists want to destroy historical monuments and statues.
 
Grumpy said:
"(CNN)A Virginia judge has ruled that statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson in Charlottesville are war monuments that the city cannot remove without permission from the state.
In a nine-page ruling obtained from the University of Virginia School of Law website, Circuit Court Judge Richard E. Moore said neither the intentions of the people who erected the statues nor how they make people feel change the fact that the statues pay homage to the Civil War. Moore cited state code in his ruling that says it is illegal for municipalities to remove such monuments to war.
"I find this conclusion inescapable," Moore said. "It is the very reason the statues have been complained about from the beginning. It does no good pretending they are something other than what they actually are." "
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/30/us/charlottesville-confederate-monuments-ruling/index.html

Let the PC whining begin.
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CNN= fake news. Remember?
 
It seems to me there's a genuine problem. For most people the Confederacy was an illegal conspiracy to keep a lot of people working for nothing, on racist grounds; for many Southerners it was a courageous war of independence in which a great many non-slave-owners fought and died. Naturally, statues of its heroes give mortal offense to the descendants of those they enslaved, and others. Might I suggest that real (Nineteenth Century, say) historical monument be moved to museums and kept safe there? It seems to me that it's where they belong.
 
iolo said:
It seems to me there's a genuine problem. For most people the Confederacy was an illegal conspiracy to keep a lot of people working for nothing, on racist grounds; for many Southerners it was a courageous war of independence in which a great many non-slave-owners fought and died. Naturally, statues of its heroes give mortal offense to the descendants of those they enslaved, and others. Might I suggest that real (Nineteenth Century, say) historical monument be moved to museums and kept safe there? It seems to me that it's where they belong.
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No, you may not suggest shit, stupid foreigner.
 
Interesting. Generally those on the right come out in favor of local entities being able to make and enforce their own regulations. They also cry out against "legislating from the bench."

For those of you celebrating this decision, would you feel the same if a city enacted a law allowing concealed carry, but the state didn't like that and got a judge to rule against the city?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Interesting. Generally those on the right come out in favor of local entities being able to make and enforce their own regulations. They also cry out against "legislating from the bench."

For those of you celebrating this decision, would you feel the same if a city enacted a law allowing concealed carry, but the state didn't like that and got a judge to rule against the city?
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It's left to the state, not the city, mujer de buho.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Interesting. Generally those on the right come out in favor of local entities being able to make and enforce their own regulations. They also cry out against "legislating from the bench."

For those of you celebrating this decision, would you feel the same if a city enacted a law allowing concealed carry, but the state didn't like that and got a judge to rule against the city?
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apples to oranges..
"are they war memorials/" is a good metric -
eliminates the statues to morose praise of the Confederacy while still preserving monuments to the brave mean
 
Grumpy said:
"(CNN)A Virginia judge has ruled that statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson in Charlottesville are war monuments that the city cannot remove without permission from the state.
In a nine-page ruling obtained from the University of Virginia School of Law website, Circuit Court Judge Richard E. Moore said neither the intentions of the people who erected the statues nor how they make people feel change the fact that the statues pay homage to the Civil War. Moore cited state code in his ruling that says it is illegal for municipalities to remove such monuments to war.
"I find this conclusion inescapable," Moore said. "It is the very reason the statues have been complained about from the beginning. It does no good pretending they are something other than what they actually are." "
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/30/us/charlottesville-confederate-monuments-ruling/index.html

Let the PC whining begin.
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It only makes common sense. The left will whine, and the cities will continue allowing mobs to tear them down. I guess in this brave new millennial world, we must HIDE from the past rather than LEARN from it.
 
iolo said:
It seems to me there's a genuine problem. For most people the Confederacy was an illegal conspiracy to keep a lot of people working for nothing, on racist grounds; for many Southerners it was a courageous war of independence in which a great many non-slave-owners fought and died. Naturally, statues of its heroes give mortal offense to the descendants of those they enslaved, and others. Might I suggest that real (Nineteenth Century, say) historical monument be moved to museums and kept safe there? It seems to me that it's where they belong.
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STFU sheep herder. NO one gives a fuck what an ignorant foreigner has to say about America. Back to your padded cell.
 
ThatFOwlWoman said:
Interesting. Generally those on the right come out in favor of local entities being able to make and enforce their own regulations. They also cry out against "legislating from the bench."

For those of you celebrating this decision, would you feel the same if a city enacted a law allowing concealed carry, but the state didn't like that and got a judge to rule against the city?
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STFU you dunce. You don't know what you are erupting about. This rule IS in favor of the LOCAL jurisdictions making those decisions. They are called STATES. Moron.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Interesting. Generally those on the right come out in favor of local entities being able to make and enforce their own regulations. They also cry out against "legislating from the bench."

For those of you celebrating this decision, would you feel the same if a city enacted a law allowing concealed carry, but the state didn't like that and got a judge to rule against the city?
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If I'm not mistaken the Constitution mentions states rights not cities rights. So clearly state law tops city laws, just as federal law tops state law.

"Preemption occurs when law at a higher level of government is used to overrule authority at a lower level. State law can be used to preempt local ordinances, and federal law can be used to preempt state law."


So your example is moot.
 
Grumpy said:
A Virginia judge has ruled that statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson in Charlottesville are war monuments that the city cannot remove without permission from the state.
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Confederate Monuments exist to sanitize and glorify traitors with whom Conservatives share the same values.
 
Why does Grump feel the necessity to take the asshole position on every issue?

Somebody needed to frag him in a rice paddy. Too late now, I suppose.
 
LV426 said:
Confederate Monuments exist to sanitize and glorify traitors with whom Conservatives share the same values.
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:lolup:Moron eruption. :laugh:

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