FINA votes to restrict transgender swimmers, including Lia Thomas

Waaaay back in the day in kindergarten we all learned one Truth that has followed us throughout our lives. "Life is sometimes not fair"...

Lia Thomas is free to compete as a male, they went through puberty as a male gaining all the physical advantages. The issue here is the "most fair" resolution. It is "most fair" to make it fair for the folks who went through puberty as females, there are far more of them. Star Trek taught us one thing that really makes sense: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

I get that this "isn't fair", that Lia should be able to transition into womanhood all she wants to... but we also know that reality sometimes intervenes and provides problems that cannot be overcome, those advantages she gained through going through puberty as a male are very real and extremely unfair. To be "fair" to the most people we must be "unfair" to Lia. We will participate in your transition, recognize you are female, etc. but fairness will not allow you to participate in sport as a woman where the physical attributes give you too much of an unnatural advantage.
 
I’m no longer debating this issue with you, face it, we aren’t going to change each other’s positions. I support LBGTQ people and you don’t. Have a nice day.

I totally support LBGTQ people.
I can't support the unfair physical advantage a man's body has over a female body.
It's not Political to me,it's just it needs to be an even playing field for the ladies.
 
I totally support LBGTQ people.
I can't support the unfair physical advantage a man's body has over a female body.
It's not Political to me,it's just it needs to be an even playing field for the ladies.
Then you truly don’t support them. There was a young trans girl they interviewed on TV who stated, all she wanted to do was be who she was and participate in her sport. It was heart wrenching. It’s such a small percentage of athletes, we should let them compete.
 
Then you truly don’t support them. There was a young trans girl they interviewed on TV who stated, all she wanted to do was be who she was and participate in her sport. It was heart wrenching. It’s such a small percentage of athletes, we should let them compete.

Males have a physical advantage, has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
The trans girl,can compete in her sport as a male.
That's what she was born as.
I personally think these surgeries to pretend to be what you're not is mutilation.
 
Then you truly don’t support them. There was a young trans girl they interviewed on TV who stated, all she wanted to do was be who she was and participate in her sport. It was heart wrenching. It’s such a small percentage of athletes, we should let them compete.

It's such a small percentage we should have them have their own event and they would only need three trophies. Stop defending this shit. I know our new dimwit SC justice can't define the word woman but 99.99% of the rest of the world can.
 
Then you truly don’t support them. There was a young trans girl they interviewed on TV who stated, all she wanted to do was be who she was and participate in her sport. It was heart wrenching. It’s such a small percentage of athletes, we should let them compete.
Do you have a link to this interview? How old was this athlete? When I was coaching we often combined male and female events to fill up the lanes... However the results were separate... There were winners in the male lanes and winners in the female lanes... So if participation is the only important thing then give that swimmer a lane... But the time should not affect the official results... And no one should lose a spot to that swimmer or runner...or cyclist... Or weightlifter etc... That would pose a problem... Or it would have in the past... Swimmers should be fine now... Hopefully other sports will follow....
 
They don't even know who he is... They're just reacting.... You can bet that if it was one of their granddaughters who lost a spot in a state meet or lost a race to a man after years of very hard work their "reaction" would be Very much different...

Well, they know who "she" is.

The white lib females have been outraged ever since this happened ...

"Simone Manuel: first Black female swimmer to win individual ...https://usopm.org › simone-manuel-became-the-first-blac...
Simone Manuel won two gold medals and two silver medals at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games."


The white lib Brokeback Mountain females don't want this to ever happen again.
 
Then you truly don’t support them. There was a young trans girl they interviewed on TV who stated, all she wanted to do was be who she was and participate in her sport. It was heart wrenching. It’s such a small percentage of athletes, we should let them compete.

They can now. In the “open” category.
 
Well, they know who "she" is.

The white lib females have been outraged ever since this happened ...

"Simone Manuel: first Black female swimmer to win individual ...https://usopm.org › simone-manuel-became-the-first-blac...
Simone Manuel won two gold medals and two silver medals at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games."


The white lib Brokeback Mountain females don't want this to ever happen again.
If they want to read a heart-wrenching story they should read Simone's... She won't be able to defend her medals... These sports are tough... There's a lot of disappointment... Competition is fierce... These kids train their whole lives... And just a tiny percentage are good enough to get to the elite level...They should never ever have to be excluded...or lose... because a biological male has been allowed to compete... I'm not sure how or why anyone could disagree with that...
 
I’m no longer debating this issue with you, face it, we aren’t going to change each other’s positions. I support LBGTQ people and you don’t. Have a nice day.

During the last season Thomas competed as a member of the Penn men’s team, which was 2018-19, she ranked 554th in the 200 freestyle, 65th in the 500 freestyle and 32nd in the 1650 freestyle. As her career at Penn wrapped, she moved to fifth, first and eighth in those respective events on the women’s deck.
https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.c...imes-no-denying-the-advantages-of-lia-thomas/
 
It's such a small percentage we should have them have their own event and they would only need three trophies. Stop defending this shit. I know our new dimwit SC justice can't define the word woman but 99.99% of the rest of the world can.

When a child dresses up as Spiderman, I will indulge their little fantasy and pretend they are Spiderman.

I'm not going to indulge adults who pretend they are something they are not.

It is sick that the white lib socialist authoritarians are now forcing American citizens to pretend these adults' fantasies are real.
 
"Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"
No stones were cast.

The Bible does not support LBGTQXYZ.

God spoke of deviants and perversion.

These are eternal truths, God speaking to sins and behavior that is not tolerated.

If you are a Christian, which I doubt, these are rules sent down by the Grand Architect of the Universe, your Creator.
 
When a child dresses up as Spiderman, I will indulge their little fantasy and pretend they are Spiderman.

I'm not going to indulge adults who pretend they are something they are not.

It is sick that the white lib socialist authoritarians are now forcing American citizens to pretend these adults' fantasies are real.

Indeed...there are two biological genders, male and female. You can not change that.
 
Waaaay back in the day in kindergarten we all learned one Truth that has followed us throughout our lives. "Life is sometimes not fair"...

Lia Thomas is free to compete as a male, they went through puberty as a male gaining all the physical advantages. The issue here is the "most fair" resolution. It is "most fair" to make it fair for the folks who went through puberty as females, there are far more of them. Star Trek taught us one thing that really makes sense: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

I get that this "isn't fair", that Lia should be able to transition into womanhood all she wants to... but we also know that reality sometimes intervenes and provides problems that cannot be overcome, those advantages she gained through going through puberty as a male are very real and extremely unfair. To be "fair" to the most people we must be "unfair" to Lia. We will participate in your transition, recognize you are female, etc. but fairness will not allow you to participate in sport as a woman where the physical attributes give you too much of an unnatural advantage.

I agree with everything in this post except “...and extremely unfair. To be "fair" to the most people we must be "unfair" to Lia. We will participate in your transition, recognize you are female, etc...”

He has not been treated unfairly and he is not a female.”

You know better but for some reason don’t want to acknowledge the fact that a biological male can not change his sex.

I expected more honesty. Your posts have always been honest and fair-minded. Why are you allowing these far left loons to intimidate you?

God created males and females, only males and females...man can not change eiither.
 
I agree with everything in this post except “...and extremely unfair. To be "fair" to the most people we must be "unfair" to Lia. We will participate in your transition, recognize you are female, etc...”

He has not been treated unfairly and he is not a female.”

You know better but for some reason don’t want to acknowledge the fact that a biological male can not change his sex.

I expected more honesty. Your posts have always been honest and fair-minded. Why are you allowing these far left loons to intimidate you?

God created males and females, only males and females...man can not change eiither.

Nah, I just don't give a care whatsoever if this person wants me to call them a woman and will be fine calling them that.
 
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