Film at 9/11 Museum Sets Off Clash Over Reference to Islam

[Taft2016]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/n...ortrayal-of-islam.html?hpw&rref=nyregion&_r=0

Past the towering tridents that survived the World Trade Center collapse, adjacent to a gallery with photographs of the 19 hijackers, a brief film at the soon-to-open National September 11 Memorial Museum will seek to explain to visitors the historical roots of the attacks.

The film, “The Rise of Al Qaeda,” refers to the terrorists as Islamists who viewed their mission as a jihad. The NBC News anchor Brian Williams, who narrates the film, speaks over images of terrorist training camps and Qaeda attacks spanning decades. Interspersed are explanations of the ideology of the terrorists, from video clips in foreign-accented English translations.

The documentary is not even seven minutes long, the exhibit just a small part of the museum. But it has over the last few weeks suddenly become a flash point in what has long been one of the most highly charged issues at the museum: how it should talk about Islam and Muslims.

....group members screened the Qaeda film and grew alarmed at what they felt was an inflammatory tone and use of the words “jihad” and “Islamist” without, they felt, sufficient explanation.

“As soon as it was over, everyone was just like, wow, you guys have got to be kidding me,” Mr. Gudaitis said.

The museum did remove the term “Islamic terrorism” from its website earlier this month, after another activist, Todd Fine, collected about 100 signatures of academics and scholars supporting its deletion.

I don't know if the Armenians have a museum about their genocide at the hands of the Turks, but if they do one has to wonder if they wrestled and carefully parsed words to avoid offending delicate Turkish sensibilities.

Or if the Chinese have a "Rape of Nanking" museum, whose message they had carefully vetted through an approval process of Japanese representatives.

“What helps me sleep at night is I believe that the average visitor who comes through this museum will in no way leave this museum with the belief that the religion of Islam is responsible for what happened on 9/11,” said Mr. Daniels, the president of the museum foundation. “We have gone out of the way to tell the truth.”

Really? That's what helps this dipshit sleep at night?

As a New Yorker who endured the first attack, what helps me sleep at night is knowing we've driven these assholes back to where they came from, and are forcing them to defend their holy lands from us.

 

[Phantasmal]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/n...ortrayal-of-islam.html?hpw&rref=nyregion&_r=0



I don't know if the Armenians have a museum about their genocide at the hands of the Turks, but if they do one has to wonder if they wrestled and carefully parsed words to avoid offending delicate Turkish sensibilities.

Or if the Chinese have a "Rape of Nanking" museum, whose message they had carefully vetted through an approval process of Japanese representatives.



Really? That's what helps this dipshit sleep at night?

As a New Yorker who endured the first attack, what helps me sleep at night is knowing we've driven these assholes back to where they came from, and are forcing them to defend their holy lands from us.

Remind me, which country did these terrorists represent? Were they representing all of Islam in committing these cimes?

You are comparing apples to bananas.

 

[The Dude]

Pagan on pagan hate

 

[Taft2016]

Remind me, which country did these terrorists represent? Were they representing all of Islam in committing these cimes?

You are comparing apples to bananas.

Your fundamental lack of understand is alarming.

What country or countries do you think the terrorists were *representing*? What country or countries do you think Osama Bin Laden *represented*?

Al Qaeda is not a geo-political interest.

The events of 9/11 rise above the level of mere crimes, into the realm of acts of war.

 

[Timshel]

I don't know if the Armenians have a museum about their genocide at the hands of the Turks, but if they do one has to wonder if they wrestled and carefully parsed words to avoid offending delicate Turkish sensibilities.

Or if the Chinese have a "Rape of Nanking" museum, whose message they had carefully vetted through an approval process of Japanese representatives.

This from the guy who is offended by depictions of slave owners as anything but kind, gentle and honorable people.

 

[Taft2016]

This from the guy who is offended by depictions of slave owners as anything but kind, gentle and honorable people.

Begone, Jew hater.

 

[Timshel]

Begone, Jew hater.

What are you talking about? I don't hate Jews and have never expressed anything against them.

Meanwhile, you feel history should show great understanding to man who had one of his slaves brutally beaten.

 

[Taft2016]

What are you talking about? I don't hate Jews and have never expressed anything against them.

Of course you do and of course you have.

I would be pleased as punch to post any one of your numerous Aryan Third Reich-isms here for all to see...

... as soon as you link up to where I said:

This from the guy who is offended by depictions of slave owners as anything but kind, gentle and honorable people.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

What are you talking about? I don't hate Jews and have never expressed anything against them.

Meanwhile, you feel history should show great understanding to man who had one of his slaves brutally beaten.

He calls everyone that. It's supposed to be a conversation stopper. It's the tactic of an intellectual weakling. I laugh.

 

[Taft2016]

It's supposed to be a conversation stopper. It's the tactic of an intellectual weakling.

The irony here is richer than lard-based chocolate mousse.

 

[Timshel]

Of course you do and of course you have.

I would be pleased as punch to post any one of your numerous Aryan Third Reich-isms here for all to see...

... as soon as you link up to where I said:

Do so, liar. It's never happened.

One slave ran away, who Lee had savagely whipped for the very reason I cited earlier. Such behavior demonstrated that a man could not control his household. Which would be especially damaging for a man whose job was controlling other men as a military officer.

 

[Taft2016]

Do so, liar. It's never happened.

Yes it has, Herr Himmler. And I have your litany of Jew hating vitriol cued up and ready to go. I do sincerely hope you can find where I said that I am

offended by depictions of slave owners as anything but kind, gentle and honorable people.

Because if you can find it, I will then be able to follow through with your Jew hating tirades for the world to see.

Meanwhile, this:

One slave ran away, who Lee had savagely whipped for the very reason I cited earlier. Such behavior demonstrated that a man could not control his household. Which would be especially damaging for a man whose job was controlling other men as a military officer.

bears no resemblance to this:

offended by depictions of slave owners as anything but kind, gentle and honorable people.

Please Fuhrer Fellater, don't let us down.

 

[Timshel]

Yes it has, Herr Himmler. And I have your litany of Jew hating vitriol cued up and ready to go. I do sincerely hope you can find where I said that I am

Because if you can find it, I will then be able to follow through with your Jew hating tirades for the world to see.

Meanwhile, this:

bears no resemblance to this:

Please Fuhrer Fellater, don't let us down.

You have, in fact, worried that depictions of slavery and slave owners were unfair.

You can quibble over whether my depiction of your statements is fair or not but you made up your claim about "Aryan Third Reich-isms" out of whole cloth. There is absolutely nothing I have said which justifies your libelous comments. You are a despicable liar.

 

[Phantasmal]

This from the guy who is offended by depictions of slave owners as anything but kind, gentle and honorable people.

Touche'

 

[Granule]

Remind me, which country did these terrorists represent? Were they representing all of Islam in committing these cimes?

You are comparing apples to bananas.

No, he's comparing green apples to red apples since they're all part of the same family of fruits (Islam).

But thanks for stepping in and defending Muslims.... again.

 

[Phantasmal]

No, he's comparing green apples to red apples since they're all part of the same family of fruits (Islam).

But thanks for stepping in and defending Muslims.... again.

No, he is comparing two acts of countries at war, compared to the illegal acts of terrorism by a few Muslims. I am not defending terrorists, I am telling him his comparisons are inaccurate.

 

[Granule]

No, he is comparing two acts of countries at war, compared to the illegal acts of terrorism by a few Muslims. I am not defending terrorists, I am telling him his comparisons are inaccurate.

No, he is discussing Islamic terrorism and his indignation over three tools who are protesting the 9/11 Film.

 

[Teflon Don]

Remind me, which country did these terrorists represent? Were they representing all of Islam in committing these cimes?

You are comparing apples to bananas.

Yes they were representing Islam. That you defend them is astounding to me