Felony Insurrectionist: 8 Months In Federal Prison and $2000 Fine.

Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
No he didn’t and his own words strongly indicate he didn’t. You’re cherry picking from the speech.

The left has wanted their pound of Trump flesh ever since he had the audacity to beat Hillary in 2016. There’s nothing they won’t stoop to in order to get it.

A *real investigation* would look at every facet of 1/6 including who was responsible for security that day. As soon as it becomes apparent there’s no Trump angle to that question Pelosi’s ‘investigation’ will drop that angle like a hot potato.

Another angle that needs investigated is possible involvement of federal informants. Or should I say the degree of involvement because it’s almost impossible that they weren’t.

This is related to the security question because how was it that Christopher Wray wasn’t beating someone’s door down and warning them about what was going to go down on 1/6. Yet, Capitol security that day was as if it was set up for—any other day.

A related angle is more insidious: given the involvement of federal agents *were any of them* involved in its planning? Very recently, it was discovered by investigative journalists that the kidnapping plot of Gov Whitmer involved an ‘inordinate’ number of federal agents; furthermore, they were involved in the planning and execution to such a degree its a mystery how they escaped being charged with entrapment.

Did this sort of thing go on with 1/6? The country needs real answers to all these questions and then we can talk about healing. And they aren’t going to get them from any ‘investigation’ run by Nancy Pelosi.
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What a freaking stretch that is.

I have to admire how far out on a limb that argument has to go to twist it around to try to blame others for what Trump supporters did.

Even if any of that is true, and I have no concern that it might be however small and infinitesimal the chances may be, it doesn't remove the culpability of those who stormed the Capitol in that bloody Insurrection on January 6th 2021, a Day Of Infamy.

The argument amounts to: "OK, we did it, but we're going to try to take you down with us."

Good luck with that. Fat chance.

And if that's really the case, a bipartisan created independent 911 style commission would have shown no favoritism in digging up all the facts. So why, on this climate dying Earth, would the Republican Trump cult block that?

I don't expect you to answer that. There is no plausible answer. Please do your best to surprise me?

We know why Republicans blocked the independent investigation.

Republicans don't want the truth to come out and be plastered all over the news while they are trying so desperately to spin the story into a tourist visit.

Republicans want to bury the past so it doesn't haunt them during the next election cycle.

Republicans don't want to be responsible for what they've done.

And how fitting is it that this is post number 61?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



What a freaking stretch that is.

I have to admire how far out on a limb that argument has to go to twist it around to try to blame others for what Trump supporters did.

Even if any of that is true, and I have no concern that it might be however small and infinitesimal the chances may be, it doesn't remove the culpability of those who stormed the Capitol in that bloody Insurrection on January 6th 2021, a Day Of Infamy.

The argument amounts to: "OK, we did it, but we're going to try to take you down with us."

Good luck with that. Fat chance.

And if that's really the case, a bipartisan created independent 911 style commission would have shown no favoritism in digging up all the facts. So why, on this climate dying Earth, would the Republican Trump cult block that?

I don't expect you to answer that. There is no plausible answer. Please do your best to surprise me?

We know why Republicans blocked the independent investigation.

Republicans don't want the truth to come out and be plastered all over the news while they are trying so desperately to spin the story into a tourist visit.

Republicans want to bury the past so it doesn't haunt them during the next election cycle.

Republicans don't want to be responsible for what they've done.

And how fitting is it that this is post number 61?
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The whole point to this latest witch Hunt is to haunt Republicans with it in 2022 and beyond. That cat is out of the bag. It was a clear plastic bag to begin with and everyone knew there was a cat in it.

Consider how much democrats have profited from 1/6 even up until now. And you scoff at the mere suggestion that, just maybe, there was some ‘coordination’ going on that didn’t involve Trump. How about we put all the cards on the table? It’s supposed to be bipartisan, right?
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
The whole point to this latest witch Hunt is to haunt Republicans with it in 2022 and beyond. That cat is out of the bag. It was a clear plastic bag to begin with and everyone knew there was a cat in it.

Consider how much democrats have profited from 1/6 even up until now. And you scoff at the mere suggestion that, just maybe, there was some ‘coordination’ going on that didn’t involve Trump. How about we put all the cards on the table? It’s supposed to be bipartisan, right?
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Bipartisan? Well, by definition, the committee does include members from both parties. But not enough Republicans could be found who could put aside their subservience to Trump, so it's mostly Democrats.

And quit looking at everything in political terms and just for once think of the importance to America to get this right. We had a 200+ year stretch of no violence and no national enemies invading the Capitol, but that ended on January 6th. It was an important event in our history. We have to get to the bottom of what happened.

If that is politically inconvenient for Republicans they should never have lied about the election, should never have spread the lies that whipped up such a frenzy over it. Republicans created this mess and no, we are not just sweeping it under the rug.

If political neutrality is sought, it would be fair to give this incident and Trump at least as much scrutiny as Benghazi, if not more, due to the seriousness of it.
 
Darth Omar said:
It was a non-violet offense by a likely first time offender.

What did you expect, the electric chair? And not to be a nitpicker, but why is ‘insurrectionist’ in your thread title when the charges aren’t within light years of ‘insurrection’.

Wouldn’t that be judged as ‘misinformation’ by the fact checkers working for the tech oligarchs?
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He was involved in the insurrection. He apparently was not one of the violent ones, or he did not get the opportunity. He did commit felonies. Nobody, absolutely no one, suggested the electric chair. The prosecutors wanted a longer sentence.
I do not accept that people learn a lesson from long sentences. If it did, we would not have so many murders or bank robberies. Criminals do not care about that until they are caught.
I do not take breaking into the nation's capitol as a small thing. The threat of violence was real and harm was done.
 
PoliTalker said:
There's going to be a lot of people doing a lot of time over this.
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Agreed. 8 months for simply walking into Congress with the mob. Those convicted of violence are going to do years. Those who helped plan this will do decades.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Let's hope that includes the Inciter In Chief.
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It might be hard to connect Trump directly to it. Obviously there's tons of circumstantial evidence. I think, at best, someone one step away from Trump will be convicted of aiding and abetting an armed insurrection against the United States of America. Only if that person were facing life in prison without parole or death would they give up Trump....or maybe they will.

Time will tell and that might take until 2024 to resolve.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It might be hard to connect Trump directly to it. Obviously there's tons of circumstantial evidence. I think, at best, someone one step away from Trump will be convicted of aiding and abetting an armed insurrection against the United States of America. Only if that person were facing life in prison without parole or death would they give up Trump....or maybe they will.

Time will tell and that might take until 2024 to resolve.
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Trump's speech before the insurrection is enough to convict him of treason!
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



Proof of collusion with Putin is not needed.
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I'm not a lawyer so will watch it play out.

Personally, I'm hoping the militias solve the problem for everyone. It really would be a storybook ending. :laugh:
 
Darth Omar said:
The whole point to this latest witch Hunt is to haunt Republicans with it in 2022 and beyond.
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Dude, the Republicans are the ones who slathered themselves in gasoline and are threatening to light a match. They're the ones who are dragging down the investigation and refusing to cooperate. They're the ones who will be dragging this out through the midterms and the 2024 election.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
I'm not a lawyer so will watch it play out.

Personally, I'm hoping the militias solve the problem for everyone. It really would be a storybook ending. :laugh:
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Neither am I, but this seems pretty straightforward:

' 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

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Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)'
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



Neither am I, but this seems pretty straightforward:

' 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

U.S. Code


Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)'
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Murder is illegal but OJ got away from it.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. 8 months for simply walking into Congress with the mob. Those convicted of violence are going to do years. Those who helped plan this will do decades.
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Simply walking? Could you possibly have slanted it more? The proven felon broke into the nation's capitol bldg with a violent mob. I suppose you call that a 5K. he was a part of an insurrection and he was lucky to get away with such a light sentence.
 
PoliTalker said:
" CNN —

A man who pleaded guilty to breaching the Senate chamber during the US Capitol insurrection was sentenced Monday to eight months in prison in a closely watched case that could influence how hundreds of other rioters charged with the same felony are punished.

Paul Hodgkins, a 38-year-old Floridian, is now the first Capitol rioter convicted of a felony to be sentenced. He pleaded guilty last month to obstructing congressional proceedings – specifically, the counting of the electoral votes, which he helped delay on January 6. He spent about 15 minutes inside the Senate chamber, wearing a Donald Trump shirt and carrying a Trump flag.

The sentence is far less than the 1.5-year prison term that the Justice Department requested. At a hearing Monday, prosecutors argued that 1.5 years would deter future political violence and send a strong warning to “people who may be contemplating a second act” after January 6.

District Judge Randolph Moss departed from that recommendation. He said Hodgkins contributed to a grave offense against democracy but deserved some leniency because he pleaded guilty “exceptionally early,” wasn’t involved in violence and issued a “sincere” apology.

“Hodgkins was staking a claim on the floor of the United States Senate, not with the American flag but with a flag declaring his loyalty to a single individual over the entire nation,” Moss said. "

"In addition to prison, Hodgkins was ordered to pay $2,000 to repair damage to the Capitol. "

First US Capitol rioter convicted of a felony gets 8 months in prison after DOJ says stiffer sentence could stop future attacks

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He got off easy. Wait till the violent ones get sentenced...
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I thought traitors were supposed to be hanged.
 
Nordberg said:
Simply walking? Could you possibly have slanted it more? The proven felon broke into the nation's capitol bldg with a violent mob. I suppose you call that a 5K. he was a part of an insurrection and he was lucky to get away with such a light sentence.
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Get a fucking grip and unclench your pearl necklace. Did you read the OP? If so then tell me where I'm wrong.

Notice that the Feds aren't offering plea deals to violent offenders. This plea deal is the first of many for the most minor offenders and it he still got 8 months in prison. Don't you get it? That's the lightest sentence We, the People might see for the Insurrectionists. Harsher sentences to follow.
 
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