Federal regulations costing US $1.9T annually

oxy is much more addictive, but also for severe pain, while hydro is for moderate to severe pain.
They are not the same treatment plans. yet they are now scheduled the same

Take sciatica.. by making it a schedule 2most G.Practioners will not prescribe hydro with out going to pain clinics for any more then very short term use
which are expensive, time consuming,
Clinics rely on X-Ray/MRI (again shooting up costs) where beforehand doctors could prescribe with normal ( un-extreme )measures.
Moreover many doctors will not prescribe, and there is now a war on pain managment -attempting to de-legitimize it.
Doctors are cutting back patients to below what they need. This is DEA over-reach.

a further consequence is the rise of heroin and fentanyl when it's been established there really isn't that much cross addiction from pills to heroin.
Yet pain management is being blamed for that rise.
Five myths about heroin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d:homepage/story

I'm glad you find my views "disturbing" mindless big gov't one size fits all counter-productive needlessly intrusive over-regulation
should feel that way.
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Yet tobacco use was going down without FDA regs,, I'm not claiming anything on this one about use though..
only that we did fine for centuries without having the FDA involved. State and local regs , and societal norms were reducing cigs by more then half since I was a kid . So what was the affirmative purpose of FDA reg?

They are both narcotic opiate opiods.
It would be most unusual for them to not be scheduled together. The effects are the same the difference is one is stronger but either will provide the exact same effect per dosage.
Either will prevent withdrawal symptoms from heroin and or other opiods and therefore it is chased by addicts. It is for this reason (and governments over reactions) that you and I can't readilly get them for pain relief even when we legitimately need them such as when I broke my ankle last year.
 
They are both narcotic opiate opiods.
It would be most unusual for them to not be scheduled together. The effects are the same the difference is one is stronger but either will provide the exact same effect per dosage.
Either will prevent withdrawal symptoms from heroin and or other opiods and therefore it is chased by addicts. It is for this reason (and governments over reactions) that you and I can't readilly get them for pain relief even when we legitimately need them such as when I broke my ankle last year.

I think this must be the longest post from you, congratulations!!
 
Federal court blocks EPA rule on waterways
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/27/breaking-federal-court-blocks-epa-rule-on-waterways/
their new rule that expands their authority by redefining the legal term “navigable waterways” was about to take effect tomorrow. A federal judge in North Dakota shut that down this afternoon, ruling that the EPA had exceeded its authority and jurisdiction from Congress:


A federal judge in North Dakota on Thursday blocked a new Obama administration rule that would give the federal government jurisdiction over some smaller waterways just hours before it was set to go into effect.

U.S. District Judge Ralph Erickson in Fargo issued a temporary injunction against a the rule which would have given the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and Army Corps of Engineers authority over some streams, tributaries and wetlands under the Clean Water Act. The rule was scheduled to take effect Friday.

“The risk of irreparable harm to the states is both imminent and likely,” Erickson said in granting the request of 13 states to temporarily stop the rule from taking effect. The judge said that among other things, the rule would require “jurisdictional studies” of every proposed natural gas, oil or water pipeline project in North Dakota, which is at the center of an energy exploration boom.

The government tried telling the judge that he didn’t have the jurisdiction to block the order, arguing that it had to go to the appellate court, but Erickson summarily rejected that argument. “If the exceptionally expansive view advocated by the government is adopted,it would encompass virtually all EPA actions under the Clean Water Act,” Erickson wrote of the procedural demand made by the EPA. “It is difficult to imagine any action the EPA might take in the promulgation of a rule that is not either definitional or regulatory.”

On the merits, Erickson ruled, the states were likely to succeed in their suit. Erickson highlights several applicable passages to Rapanos, in which Justice Anthony Kennedy joined in a concurrence that struck down an earlier attempt to expand the Clean Water Act to arrogate jurisdiction over wetlands. “While the Agencies assert that the definitions exclusion of drains and ditches remedies the defect,” Erickson writes of the overbroad rule, “the definition of a tributary here includes vast numbers of waters that are unlikely to have a nexus to navigable waters within any reasonable understanding of the term.”

Erickson also sees at least a fair chance of success for the states in proving the rule to be capricious and arbitrary:


The Rule asserts jurisdiction over waters that are remote and intermittent waters. No evidence actually points to how these intermittent and remote wetlands have any nexus to a navigable-in-fact water. The standard of arbitrary and capricious is met because the Agencies have failed to establish a “rational connection between the facts found” and the Rule as it will be promulgated.

The Rule also arbitrarily establishes the distances from a navigable water that are subject to regulation. … Once again, the court has reviewed all of the information available to it and is unable to determine the scientific basis for the 4,000 feet standard. Based on the evidence in the record, the distance from the high water mark bears no connection to the relevant scientific data purported to support this because any water that is 4,001 feet away from the high water mark cannot be considered “similarly situated” for purposes of 33 C.F.R. § 328.3(a)(8). While a “bright line” test is not in itself arbitrary, the Rule must be supported by some evidence why a 4,000 foot standard is scientifically supportable. On the record before the court, it appears that the standard is the right standard because the Agencies say it is.

This is, of course, just a temporary restraining order. Erickson will have to conduct a trial on the merits, and for the moment it’s unclear whether this applies to states not party to this suit. However, it seems at least somewhat likely based on these comments that Erickson isn’t likely to be convinced that the rule is either necessary or within the jurisdiction granted EPA by Congress. It may take long enough that the EPA will fall under a Republican administration, which can moot the entire question by withdrawing the rule change altogether
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Here the states have asserted their jurisdictions have been compromised..
but if the states had not sued for the remedy ( not sure how this worked out) the EPA would have gotten this over-reach without challenge,
and depending on the final outcome might still do so.

As I said earlier, the Army Corp of Engineers jurisduction upon waterways is indeed limited to navigable waters.

Please show where the EPA was ever limited so.
 
How many more poisonings would there be without regs?
Anyone? Anyone?
Fucking idiot. No one is saying there are not stupid laws and regs. There are. The checks and balances are the courts. Courts review laws every day.

Can you guarantee the courts will make the best decision or the most agenda minded one? Can you? Can you?
 
She certainly doesn't care about the human cost of political regulations like killing coal. Did HRC really think west Virginians don't know just who us responsible for killing their jobs and why ?

We all know that despite regulations on the coal industry, people like Don Blankenship will still ignore them and miners will still die unnecessarily.
 
The problem with Liberals is they extend the concept of "safety" to include things that really aren't about safety but about control.

Let's pick one from your list. Road construction. When are those building the roads going to start building them to the standards you claim are in place? Why are the roads/bridges in such bad shape if the standards are doing such a good job?

Because the roads and bridges were built before stricter standards were put in place.
 
How many more poisonings would there be without regs?
Anyone? Anyone?
Fucking idiot. No one is saying there are not stupid laws and regs. There are. The checks and balances are the courts. Courts review laws every day.

Why am I not surprised you would be the first moron to throw out the logical fallacy of "how many would be dead without the regs"

What an infantile argument.
 
Why am I not surprised you would be the first moron to throw out the logical fallacy of "how many would be dead without the regs"

What an infantile argument.

It's the typical doom and gloom that Liberals use to try and scare people. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
 
They are both narcotic opiate opiods.
It would be most unusual for them to not be scheduled together. The effects are the same the difference is one is stronger but either will provide the exact same effect per dosage.
Either will prevent withdrawal symptoms from heroin and or other opiods and therefore it is chased by addicts. It is for this reason (and governments over reactions) that you and I can't readilly get them for pain relief even when we legitimately need them such as when I broke my ankle last year.

but they are different pharmaceuticals, both in strength, and opiate receptors. http://clincalc.com/Opioids/
They had been scheduled differently up until 2015.

How does Hydrocodone and Oxycodone work in the body

Hydrocodone is an opioid agonist of opioid receptors within the CNS. This morphinans structure substance blocks pain perception in the cerebral cortex of the brain. Hydrocodone decreases synaptic chemical transmission in the CNS, which in turn inhibits pain sensation into the higher centers of the brain. Agonist activities at the μ and kappa receptors can cause analgesia, miosis, and decreased body temperature. Agonist activity at the μ receptor can also cause the suppression of opiate withdrawal, while antagonist activity can result in precipitation of withdrawal. Hydrocodone acts at several locations within the CNS by involving several systems of neurotransmitters to produce analgesia, but the precise mechanism of action has not been fully understood. Opiate agonists don’t change the threshold or responsiveness of afferent nerve endings to noxious stimuli nor the conduction of impulses along peripheral nerves. Instead, they alter the perception of pain at the spinal cord and higher concentrations in the CNS and the person’s emotional response to pain. Hydrocodone can produce inhibition at the chemoreceptors through μ-opioid receptors and in the medulla through μ and δ receptors which can lead to dose-related respiratory depression.

Oxycodone is a weak agonist of μ – mu, κ – kappa, and δ – delta opioid receptors within the CNS. Oxycodone predominantly affects μ opioid receptors, which are binded with G-protein receptors complex and acts as modulators, both negative and positive, of synaptic transmission through G-proteins that trigger effector proteins. Oxycodone decrease intracellular levels of cAMP by inhibiting enzyme called adenylate cyclase and release of nociceptive neurotransmitters such as GABA, dopamine, substance P, acetylcholine, and noradrenaline. Oxycodone can also inhibit hormone release of somatostatin, insulin, vasopressin, and glucagon. As κ -receptor agonist oxycodone closes N-type voltage-operated calcium channels, while as μ and δ receptor agonist, oxycodone opens calcium-dependent potassium channels. The results are hyperpolarization and reduced neuronal excitability.
http://drugsdetails.com/can-you-take-hydrocodone-and-oxycodone-together/
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you got a broken ankle, and I have chronic, intermittent sciatica, and neither of us have access to pain relief management without specialized
pain management centers. Opiates are 1000's of years old ( although these new synthetics are not) pain relief..

The government is making it more and more difficult with OVER REGUALTION to get legitimate pain relief..
Sciatica is terrible back and leg pain, that can last for a week.
 
As I said earlier, the Army Corp of Engineers jurisduction upon waterways is indeed limited to navigable waters.

Please show where the EPA was ever limited so.
What You Need to Know About the EPA/Corps Water Rule: It’s a Power Grab and an Attack on Property Rights
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...a-power-grab-and-an-attack-on-property-rights
Both the EPA and Corps have consistently sought to acquire more power under the CWA. In just over a decade, the United States Supreme Court has twice struck down the agencies’ efforts to regulate more waters: in 2001, in Solid Waste Agency of Northern Cook County v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers,[6] and in 2006, in Rapanos v. United States.[7]

The proposed rule would assert jurisdiction over numerous types of waters, including “tributaries,” “adjacent waters,” and “other waters.” The definition for “tributaries” covers any water with a bed, banks, and ordinary high water mark that contributes flow, either directly or through another water, to a traditional navigable water, interstate water, territorial sea, or impoundment.[8] This definition is even broader than it sounds. As explained by the American Farm Bureau Foundation:

The agencies use the words “bed” and “bank” and “ordinary high water mark,” which sound like parts of a river or stream. In reality, though, the agencies’ explanation makes clear that those words just mean some kind of channel (land with higher elevation on each side of land with a lower elevation) plus any physical marks left by flowing water.[9]

The “tributaries” definition would include streams with ephemeral flow[10]—in other words, a stream that only exists after heavy precipitation.[11] A depression in the land could be a tributary if it sometimes has water flowing in it. For all practical purposes, the agency could be regulating land, not water. According to the agencies, a tributary could be “small” and a “substantial distance” from a jurisdictional water.[12] As defined, a tributary would cover almost any ditch, including man-made ditches.[13]

There is also a definition for “adjacent waters.” For the two agencies, “adjacent” does not simply mean next to jurisdictional waters. For example, if a body of water[14] is located anywhere in a floodplain of a jurisdictional water, it would be considered an adjacent water. The size and scope of this floodplain area are not clarified in the proposed rule. An isolated wetland or ephemeral stream in a floodplain could presumably be many miles away from the jurisdictional water and still be considered an adjacent water.

An adjacent water would also include “waters, including wetlands, separated from other waters of the United States by man-made dikes or barriers, natural river berms, beach dunes and the like.”[15] (Emphasis added.) Once again, the agencies define “adjacent” to mean something far beyond the meaning of the word.

If a water does not fall under the definition of “tributaries,” “adjacent waters,” or another category, there is the catch-all “other waters” to assert jurisdiction. “‘Other waters’ are jurisdictional provided that they are found, on a case-specific basis, to have a significant nexus to” a traditional navigable water, interstate water, or territorial sea.[16]

Through this definition, an isolated water could presumably be deemed jurisdictional if the water by itself or in combination with “similarly situated waters in the region … significantly affects the chemical, physical, or biological integrity of a traditional navigable water, interstate water, or territorial sea.”[17] The agencies can lump a bunch of waters together until they get the required impact and there is no apparent limit to the size of the region. A water does not even have to be close to a “water of the United States” to be considered jurisdictional
 
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