Fear of Atheism

[Sammy Jankis]

70 percent of the Christians in the world are people of color.

Even the Chinese, Japanese, and Indians copied and adopted western standards of science, education, and medicine. The logical empiricism and scientific method that originated in the western scholastic, Renaissance, and Enlightenment traditions were instrumental in that.

But feel free to turn your back and abandon western standards of science, medicine, and inductive logical reasoning, and embrace a lifestyle of Amazonian or Siberian shamanism.

because they got nuked.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Nuked into the now,

American Exceptionalism and YOU.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I love how people who've never read any of the canonical texts of Eastern religions are so quick insinuate that if Christianity had never existed, and the West had just followed shamanism or one of the Eastern religions, we would be just fine. We would still have experimental science and the great art and classical music we've become accustomed to.


The Christian Bible is very legalistic, and for western natural philosophers it was not a big jump to go from a rational monotheistic moral law-giver, to a rational monotheistic natural law-giver. Christianity is premised on a rational personal creator that gave design and order to the moral and physical dimensions of the universe. Epistle to the Romans explicitly states that God is revealed in nature, aka God is revealed in the order and design of the universe.

^^ That backdrop is largely why experimental science and formal logic uniquely is rooted in the west. It didn't develop anywhere else. That Christian backdrop is a milieu that just begs for people to go looking for, and expect to find rational organization and natural laws.


The canonical texts of Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Taoism are not nearly as legalistic. And philosophically the Eastern traditions look at reality as impermanent, in constant flux, and something of an illusion that blinds us to the truth. In some cases, the Eastern traditions are explorations of the irrational, intangible, subjective.

^^ That's not a recipe or matrix that points the way to inductive logic and experimental science.


I do think the west overemphasized technology, empiricism, physical materialism. The Eastern traditions have good insights into the non-empirical dimensions of life. One needs that kind of Ying and Yang.

bullshit and lies.

 

[Cypress]

Now the reason I said all that is because I love being in the West and I love all the art and stuff, but I'm not in any way convinced that a world without Christianity would have resulted in a WORSE world. A different world, yes, but worse? Not by a long shot.

We live in the real world, with real evidence and real facts.

Speculating about a hypothetical alternate universe that had no Jesus or Western Christianity gains us nothing. It goes without saying things would be different.

Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla. My entire personal zeitgeist is intertwined with western civilization, and it's two thousand year tradition of Greek logic, art, and philosophy as filtered through and transmitted by the Christianization of Europe.

I can't imagine myself any other way than as a product of western ethical, scientific, educational, literary, artistic, and philosophical traditions.

That does not prevent me from trying to learn about and gain insights from Eastern tradition

 

[Sammy Jankis]

70 percent of the Christians in the world are people of color.

Even the Chinese, Japanese, and Indians copied and adopted western standards of science, education, and medicine. The logical empiricism and scientific method that originated in the western scholastic, Renaissance, and Enlightenment traditions were instrumental in that.

But feel free to turn your back and abandon western standards of science, medicine, and inductive logical reasoning, and embrace a lifestyle of Amazonian or Siberian shamanism.

some of my best friends are colored.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

We live in the real world, with real evidence and real facts.

Speculating about a hypothetical alternate universe that had no Jesus or Western Christianity gains us nothing. It goes without saying things would be different.

Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla. My entire personal zeitgeist is intertwined with western civilization, and it's two thousand year tradition of Greek logic, art, and philosophy as filtered through and transmitted by the Christianization of Europe.

I can't imagine myself any other way than as a product of western ethical, scientific, educational, literary, artistic, and philosophical traditions.

That does not prevent me from trying to learn about and gain insights from Eastern tradition

who burned down the library at Alexandria?

dark age genocide Catholics that's who.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Why Islam Was Created​

This Islam In Bible Prophecy study covers why the Catholic Church created Islam.

Augustine, the bishop of North Africa, was effective in winning Arabs to Catholicism (salvation by the sacraments through the Papal Church), but many did not convert.

At the same time, missionaries of the followers of Christ were preaching the pure gospel in North Africa, Asia Minor and other places.

Satan didn’t want the Arabs to know the true path of salvation, so he had the Augustinians create the false religion of Islam, to deceive them.

The Koran gives Muslims a religious cause, which opposes Christians, so that they don’t read the Gospel and be saved.

Islam is Romanism for Arabs. Revelation 17 calls the Roman Church the Mother of Harlots, and Islam is one of the daughter religions that they helped create.

The Roman Catholic Church didn’t have an army, so they sought to harness the power of the great population of Ishmaelites in the desert, to take control of the Holy land.

Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem because of its religious history and its strategic location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city.

And they would use them to kill Jews and believers, which opposed their teachings.

Evangelism is totally forbidden in the Qur’an, so they created a built in mechanism to kill the true Christians. The Koran is designed to counter Christianity.

They wrote the Qur’an in such a way as to seem to line up with Bible prophecy, to cause people to point to Islam and Muslims, instead of the Roman Catholics.

But Revelation 13 and 17 clearly describe the Roman Catholic Church
as the antichrist beast.

After Mohammed died, the pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa. The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favors:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers, which they called infidels).
2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics. No Catholic temples were destroyed, only Christian churches.
3. Conquer Jerusalem for “His Holiness” as he coveted the Holy place.

David Nikao Wilcoxson

Study Resources:

How the Vatican created Islam PDF

The Rise and Decline of Islam as Predicted in the Bible by Charles Clever

Quran & Bukhari prove Rome created Islam video:

View: http://youtu.be/j7hAfVaEaLQ


Next Islam In Bible Prophecy study: Why Mohammed Was Chosen

Why Islam Was Created

This Islam In Bible Prophecy study covers why the Catholic Church created Islam. Augustine, the bishop of North Africa, was effective in winning Arabs to Catholicism (salvation by the sacraments th…

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[Cypress]

who burned down the library at Alexandria?

Romans under Julius Ceasar burned the library decades before Jesus was even born.

dark age genocide Catholics that's who.

Catholic monasteries were the only islands of literacy and education left standing in western Europe during the Early Middle Ages, after the collapse of the western Roman Empire.

Orthodox Christians of the Byzantine Empire preserved Greek learning. And in the High Middle Ages the Catholic universities and theologians of the West were keen to search for and recover as much of Plato and Aristotle as they could from Byzantine and Caliphate of Cordoba sources. .

You have much work to do in getting your facts straight.

If you want to complain about factually true transgressions of the Catholic Church, start your own thread about it. I know what some of those factually true transgressions are and might chip in.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Romans under Julius Ceasar burned the library decades before Jesus was even born.

Catholic monasteries were the only islands of literacy and education left standing in western Europe during the Early Middle Ages, after the collapse of the western Roman Empire.

Orthodox Christians of the Byzantine Empire preserved Greek learning. And in the High Middle Ages the Catholic universities and theologians of the West were keen to search for and recover as much of Plato and Aristotle as they could from Byzantine and Caliphate of Cordoba sources. .

You have much work to do in getting your facts straight.

If you want to complain about factually true transgressions of the Catholic Church, start your own thread about it. I know what some of those factually true transgressions are and might chip in.

... after they murdered and burned everyone else....

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Im direcly refuting your bullshit.

it s perfect in this thread, half-fuck-wit.

 

[Cypress]

... after they murdered and burned everyone else....

Thanks for tacitly confessing you were wrong about the Library of Alexandria. I wonder if anything you write can be trusted?

 

[gmark77]

Thanks for tacitly confessing you were wrong about the Library of Alexandria. I wonder if anything you write can be trusted?

There is also the story of Theophilus the Patriarch of Alexandria and the conversion of the Temple of Serapis over to a Christian church and the destruction of a lot of documents which were technically considered part of the Library of Alexandria about 391 AD. I think Gibbons talk about it. So there's some reason to blame some Christians for the destruction.

Maybe that is what he was talking about.

 

[Cypress]

... after they murdered and burned everyone else....

Pointing to transgressions by certain Christians does absolutely nothing/nada/zilch to refute, disprove, or undermine anything I wrote about the fundamental transformational influence of Christianity on Europe and the world.

Violence done by Christians, Buddhists, atheists, capitalists, socialists, or communists is a separate topic which does nothing to refute anything I wrote.

 

[Cypress]

There is also the story of Theophilus the Patriarch of Alexandria and the conversion of the Temple of Serapis over to a Christian church and the destruction of a lot of documents which were technically considered part of the Library of Alexandria about 391 AD. I think Gibbons talk about it. So there's some reason to blame some Christians for the destruction.

Maybe that is what he was talking about.

The characterization of thisas a "Story" doesn't inspire confidence in it's reliability.

No, he didn't know anything about the pagan temple of Serapis. Neither did anyone else until they Googled it.

It's highly doubtful a Christian mob destroyed a pagan Egyptian/Greek temple because it might have contained some plays by Sophocles in the basement.

It's more likely the mob was motivated by a desire to rid the city of a relic pagan Egyptian shrine.

Either way, pointing to a riot that occurred 1,800 years ago does nothing to refute Bart Ehrman's and my claim about the transformational influence of Christianity on western civilization.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Pointing to transgressions by certain Christians does absolutely nothing/nada/zilch to refute, disprove, or undermine anything I wrote about the fundamental transformational influence of Christianity on Europe and the world.

Violence done by Christians, Buddhists, atheists, capitalists, socialists, or communists is a separate topic which does nothing to refute anything I wrote.

is all transformation good?

you still never answered.

 

[gmark77]

The characterization of thisas a "Story" doesn't inspire confidence in it's reliability.

Maybe so. Just saying that that is what the poster might have been talking about in regards to "Christians" burning the Library.

It's highly doubtful a Christian mob destroyed a pagan Egyptian/Greek temple because it might have contained some plays by Sophocles in the basement.

I don't know. Here's what the folks at Univ. of Chicago say:

"On June 16, AD 391, Theodosius I reiterated from Milan his prohibition against pagan worship (a similar decree had been directed to the urban prefect in Rome four months earlier). In a rescript addressed to the prefect and military governor in Egypt, he commanded that no person perform sacrifices, go to the temples, or revere the shrines (Codex Theodosianus, XVI.10.11). Socrates Scholasticus further claims that, in response to the solicitation of Theophilus, patriarch of Alexandria, Theodosius issued an order that the temples themselves be destroyed (Ecclesiastical History, V.16). Riots were provoked by Theophilus and the Temple of Serapis was torn down by a Christian mob, to be replaced by a lofty martyrium (John of Nikiu, Chronicle, LXXVIII.42) and church (Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History, VII.15.10) beside the old temple enclosure."

Either way, pointing to a riot that occurred 1,800 years ago does nothing to refute Bart Ehrman's and my claim about the transformational influence of Christianity on western civilization.

This was more related to why the other poster might have suggested Christians were involved in the destruction of the Library of Alexandria. No one is really questioning you and Bart Ehrmann's point.

 

[Into the Night]

Your game playing isn't my problem.

LIF. You can't blame your problem on anybody else.

 

[Into the Night]

We live in the real world, with real evidence and real facts.

Go learn what 'fact' and what 'real' means, Sybil.

Speculating about a hypothetical alternate universe that had no Jesus or Western Christianity gains us nothing.

There is no such thing as an 'alternate universe'. Go learn what 'universe' means, Sybil.

It goes without saying things would be different.

Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla. My entire personal zeitgeist is intertwined with western civilization, and it's two thousand year tradition of Greek logic, art, and philosophy as filtered through and transmitted by the Christianization of Europe.

I can't imagine myself any other way than as a product of western ethical, scientific, educational, literary, artistic, and philosophical traditions.

That does not prevent me from trying to learn about and gain insights from Eastern tradition

Random words. No apparent coherency.

Go learn English, Sybil.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The characterization of thisas a "Story" doesn't inspire confidence in it's reliability.

No, he didn't know anything about the pagan temple of Serapis. Neither did anyone else until they Googled it.

It's highly doubtful a Christian mob destroyed a pagan Egyptian/Greek temple because it might have contained some plays by Sophocles in the basement.

It's more likely the mob was motivated by a desire to rid the city of a relic pagan Egyptian shrine.

Either way, pointing to a riot that occurred 1,800 years ago does nothing to refute Bart Ehrman's and my claim about the transformational influence of Christianity on western civilization.

you're such a retarded in denial dunce cap cretin.

 

[ZenMode]

Why Islam Was Created​

This Islam In Bible Prophecy study covers why the Catholic Church created Islam.

Augustine, the bishop of North Africa, was effective in winning Arabs to Catholicism (salvation by the sacraments through the Papal Church), but many did not convert.


Satan didn’t want the Arabs to know the true path of salvation, so he had the Augustinians create the false religion of Islam, to deceive them.

The Koran gives Muslims a religious cause, which opposes Christians, so that they don’t read the Gospel and be saved.


The Roman Catholic Church didn’t have an army, so they sought to harness the power of the great population of Ishmaelites in the desert, to take control of the Holy land.


And they would use them to kill Jews and believers, which opposed their teachings.


They wrote the Qur’an in such a way as to seem to line up with Bible prophecy, to cause people to point to Islam and Muslims, instead of the Roman Catholics.


After Mohammed died, the pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa. The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favors:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers, which they called infidels).
2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics. No Catholic temples were destroyed, only Christian churches.
3. Conquer Jerusalem for “His Holiness” as he coveted the Holy place.

David Nikao Wilcoxson

Study Resources:

How the Vatican created Islam PDF

The Rise and Decline of Islam as Predicted in the Bible by Charles Clever


Next Islam In Bible Prophecy study: Why Mohammed Was Chosen