Fear and Favor - by Nobel Prize winning Paul Krugman

cawacko said:
Obama is a centrist Democrat? Could be argued you'd have to be off in your favorite "wingnut" terrority to consider him a centrist.
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He's a centrist. He's been beat up almost as hard by the far left as by the far right. Just because some one is slightly to the left of a reactionary like W hardly makes them a far left liberal. Hell, you'd have to be one hell of a longs ways to the left of W to even come close to being a centrist.
 
Lowaicue said:
Then he must be a right winger for as sure as evolution eventually produced little green apples he aint a left winger.
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only in the lala land of Rush Limbaugh and Faux News world is he a left winger but to them anyone slightly to the left of Attila the Hun is a commie.
 
Threedee said:
WTF is a left-winger, then? People on the right will distance themselves from politicians and ideologues on a case-by-case basis of claiming they are not right-wing, but the way the other camp talks these days, leftists do not exist at all.
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That's because there's not much of a political left in this country anymore. What the far right try to marginalize as "Leftist Commie Liberals" in this nation are predominantly centrist and left of center liberals. That is how far to the extreme right the Republican party has gone. Now you want to see what leftest liberal politics look like, go look at Britain's Labour party.
 
Lowaicue said:
What the hell are you wittering about? I did not mention racism nor did I equate racism with your (pl) hopelessly out of tune political views. As for your comment about European soccer violence that is less relevant to the discussion than the colour of an Inuit (?) kayak.
I hope you manage to understand better than that in your 9 - 5.
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Speaking of wittering your reference to the KKK had to do with what?
 
Damn Yankee said:
We don't want a moderate; we want someone who will undo The Obamanation and drastically cut spending. That would be Palin.

Krugman's a retard.
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You have it backwards. Palin's the retard, and there is no chance in hell that she will ever be president.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
He's a centrist. He's been beat up almost as hard by the far left as by the far right. Just because some one is slightly to the left of a reactionary like W hardly makes them a far left liberal. Hell, you'd have to be one hell of a longs ways to the left of W to even come close to being a centrist.
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And how was W a reactionary?

Obama is not a communist but he's also not a centrist.
 
cawacko said:
Obama is a centrist Democrat? Could be argued you'd have to be off in your favorite "wingnut" terrority to consider him a centrist.
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There is no such thing as a centrist. This is not about left vs right, and hasn't been for 30 years. It's about top vs bottom, consolidation of wealth and power into the hands of the few vs the democratic (small d) process, which depends on the dilution of power into the hands of the voters. Plutocracy and corporate oligarchy vs democracy. The two positions are diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive. There is no compromise, centrist position between the two, as there is no acceptable level of plutocratic rule just as there is no acceptable level of theocratic rule, because as soon as either group gets a concession, they are off to bully their way to the next concession. Neither negotiates in good faith, and Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin knew they had to be fought tooth and nail in perpetuity, lest they take over the founders' democratic experiment. When the Constitutional Convention wrapped up their groundbreaking work, it is said that a woman asked Franklin what kind of government they were giving us, to which Franklin replied, "A republic, madam, if you can keep it." Both Jefferson and Madison presciently warned about the use of never ending war as a pretext for destroying the republic, and Franklin famously said something that the citizens of this country have apparently forgotten: "Those who give up essential liberties to gain a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security."

Can I get an AMEN?
 
The reason why the system is breaking down is precisely because we are fighting for democracy rather than for the republic of which Franklin spoke and the Convention established. The first man of the people, Jackson, had an unusual amount of control over large masses of people, and was the first political figure to really speak in favor of democracy. Doesn't say much for how safe we are made if we are that collectively stupid.
 
zoombwaz said:
There is no such thing as a centrist. This is not about left vs right, and hasn't been for 30 years. It's about top vs bottom, consolidation of wealth and power into the hands of the few vs the democratic (small d) process, which depends on the dilution of power into the hands of the voters. Plutocracy and corporate oligarchy vs democracy. The two positions are diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive. There is no compromise, centrist position between the two, as there is no acceptable level of plutocratic rule just as there is no acceptable level of theocratic rule, because as soon as either group gets a concession, they are off to bully their way to the next concession. Neither negotiates in good faith, and Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin knew they had to be fought tooth and nail in perpetuity, lest they take over the founders' democratic experiment. When the Constitutional Convention wrapped up their groundbreaking work, it is said that a woman asked Franklin what kind of government they were giving us, to which Franklin replied, "A republic, madam, if you can keep it." Both Jefferson and Madison presciently warned about the use of never ending war as a pretext for destroying the republic, and Franklin famously said something that the citizens of this country have apparently forgotten: "Those who give up essential liberties to gain a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security."

Can I get an AMEN?
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BTW, anybody who claims Obama is a leftist, wouldn't know a real leftist if one bit them on the ass. The GOP has been completely bought out by the corporate oligarchs and the plutocrats, who together are the kleptocracy, and the Democrats are rapidly following suit, with a few principled exceptions.
 
cawacko said:
Speaking of wittering your reference to the KKK had to do with what?
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Braindead, sound bite driven, igmorant extremism. The mentality that creates the kkk is similar to that that has created Palin and that helps bad government keep your nation in a permanent state of fear.
 
Lowaicue said:
Braindead, sound bite driven, igmorant extremism. The mentality that creates the kkk is similar to that that has created Palin and that helps bad government keep your nation in a permanent state of fear.
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Sound bite driven? The KKK was at the peak of its power well before radio, TV or Sarah Palin. The KKK today is almost non-existint. They are pathethic small pockets of people who exert almost zero influence.

Nice try on your analogy though.
 
cawacko said:
Sound bite driven? The KKK was at the peak of its power well before radio, TV or Sarah Palin. The KKK today is almost non-existint. They are pathethic small pockets of people who exert almost zero influence.

Nice try on your analogy though.
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I take from that that you have reconsidered your comments about racism.
BTW there are few people on the planet who are unaware of the history of the kkk.
One has to be very precise and use very simple language to communicate with you. I apologise for my late realisation of that.
 
Lowaicue said:
I take from that that you have reconsidered your comments about racism.
BTW there are few people on the planet who are unaware of the history of the kkk.
One has to be very precise and use very simple language to communicate with you. I apologise for my late realisation of that.
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Yes, I can barely speak English let alone code words so simple is always nice. I haven't reconsidered anything I said. I still have no idea what your KKK reference is to.
 
cawacko said:
Yes, I can barely speak English let alone code words so simple is always nice. I haven't reconsidered anything I said. I still have no idea what your KKK reference is to.
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It's your bed time. Get up early and try to hold on to your job in these uncertain times.
Good night.
 
Lowaicue said:
It's your bed time. Get up early and try to hold on to your job in these uncertain times.
Good night.
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Well we do have a KKK and a soccer huligan rally tonight so it will be a late one. However your concern is greatly appreciated.
 
cawacko said:
Well we do have a KKK and a soccer huligan rally tonight so it will be a late one. However your concern is greatly appreciated.
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Usually spelled Hooligan but from an unruly, supposedly Irish, family in London (that's in England) called Houlihan in the latter part of the 19C.
Enjoy the rally. Mind you wear the right strip.
 
Damn Yankee said:
We don't want a moderate; we want someone who will undo The Obamanation and drastically cut spending. That would be Palin.

Krugman's a retard.
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Palin has NO shot of being elected President. NONE. She would be slaughtered by Obama.

Threedee has the list that will produce the Rep nominee (unless an unknown rises up the way Clinton did in 1991).

The ones 3D listed as 'no shot' ... have NO SHOT. They will be mentioned by the far right. But no way do they draw the support of Independents and most moderates in the two parties.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
All to Obama's advantage. Fools like SM are just deluding themselves to think America would prefer a knuckle dragging ignorant wing nut over a centrist democrat.
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Fools like you continue to believe that people other than the far left sees Obama as a 'centrist'. Obama has governed from the left... not the extreme, but no where near the center. If he was a centrist, the health care obamanation the vast majority of this country didn't want never would have received his signature. The continued bailouts of his union cronies at the expense of the private sector would not have occurred. Etc...
 
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