FBI Would’ve Been Derelict Not to Use Steele Dossier for the Carter Page FISA Warrant

Nomad said:
If you'd bothered to actually read the piece I posted in the OP you'd have gotten your answer to that:

"Whether the Clinton campaign was the source of the payments — which Steele has testified before Congress that he did not know, because he was retained by Fusion GPS — is irrelevant to the substance of the disclosure of potential bias. Nothing more is required or necessary in a warrant application than revealing the fact of a source’s potential for bias."
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That still leaves the question of why the FISA court would wittingly approve a spy warrant on an innocent US citizen based on paid-for opposition research?
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
That still leaves the question of why the FISA court would wittingly approve a spy warrant on an innocent US citizen based on paid-for opposition research?
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FISC was clearly hoodwinked..will anyone get indicted for lying to a judge..of course not..
Mueller is too busy looking for "Russian collusion" :palm:
 
anatta said:
so now guilt by association justifies a FISA? He briefly met with 2 "Russian officals" and he met with Gazprom and Rosneft.
Being he was an energy consultant- why is this "spying" as a "foreign agent"

It's ridiculous -and this is 2016 after he cooperated on the Manhattan spy ring!

EDIT: the rest of that crap is from Steele
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You didn"t read the application I provided, even with the redacted sections, it is hardly just "guilt by association"
 
archives said:
You didn"t read the application I provided, even with the redacted sections, it is hardly just "guilt by association"
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I read it up to page 16 when it became all steele BS.
There are no allegations I can see just circumstantial meetings -most easily explained.

consider this: that certainly wasn't enough to justify a FISA - all the goodies were in the Steele part.
Given the fact the FBI leadership is on record that they had serious questions abut steele ( new email chain)-

what could possible then justify a FISA? Only the fact the application was treated as truthful was it granted.
Fake FISA
 
anatta said:
I've read this a dozen times on my own..
for once can you do more the c/pLONG articles without making your point? I doubt you can.

But buried in that mass of generalities is this:

now think about what I told you in the beginning -i even started a thread.
There was a LONG Email chain where there was discussion about the Steele dossier being unverified.
Do you see the monkey wrench in the works?


https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...vide-most-damning-evidence-of-fisa-abuses-yet
The email exchanges show the FBI was aware — before it secured the now-infamous warrant — that there were intelligence community concerns about the reliability of the main evidence used to support it: the Christopher Steele dossier.

The exchanges also indicate FBI officials were aware that Steele, the former MI6 British intelligence operative then working as a confidential human source for the bureau, had contacts with news media reporters before the FISA warrant was secured.

f the FBI knew of his media contacts and the concerns about the reliability of his dossier before seeking the warrant, it would constitute a serious breach of FISA regulations and the trust that the FISA court places in the FBI.

That’s because the FBI has an obligation to certify to the court before it approves FISA warrants that its evidence is verified, and to alert the judges to any flaws in its evidence or information that suggest the target might be innocent.
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Try to get this through your thick head.... the individual allegations in the Steele Dossier were not presented as "facts" upon which the FBI was basing it's FISA request. The SD was but one of several pieces of corroborating evidence that they reported to the court, that when looked at as a whole, was one part of what they based their suspicions (of Page) upon. The FBI also made it crystal clear in the application, that the SD had been financed by the opposing campaign.

You fucks are conveniently getting your shit all wrapped around the axle over the SD as if it were the major basis for the warrant, when in fact it was anything but. Obviously that is the most handy and convenient thing you Trump apologists can find upon which to base your half-assed deflection and obfuscation.

There were plenty of other more reliable sources of suspicion that the FBI used to secure the warrant, which is why the warrant was granted to begin with. That is in fact, the crux of the article that I posted by the former FBI agent... that crux being how difficult it is to get a FISA warrant and the high hurdles they had to clear.

This in and of itself negates all your stupid accusations of laxity on the part of the FBI and the FISC.

Time for you and your ilk to grow up and accept reality.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
That still leaves the question of why the FISA court would wittingly approve a spy warrant on an innocent US citizen based on paid-for opposition research?
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Because the warrant wasn't "based" on the dossier.

The dossier was just one small piece of the puzzle.
 
Nomad said:
Try to get this through your thick head.... the individual allegations in the Steele Dossier were not presented as "facts" upon which the FBI was basing it's FISA request. The SD was but one of several pieces of corroborating evidence that they reported to the court, that when looked at as a whole, was one part of what they based their suspicions (of Page) upon. The FBI also made it crystal clear in the application, that the SD had been financed by the opposing campaign.

You fucks are conveniently getting your shit all wrapped around the axle over the SD as if it were the major basis for the warrant, when in fact it was anything but. Obviously that is the most handy and convenient thing you Trump apologists can find upon which to base your half-assed deflection and obfuscation.

There were plenty of other more reliable sources of suspicion that the FBI used to secure the warrant, which is why the warrant was granted to begin with. That is in fact, the crux of the article that I posted by the former FBI agent... that crux being how difficult it is to get a FISA warrant and the high hurdles they had to clear.

This in and of itself negates all your stupid accusations of laxity on the part of the FBI and the FISC.

Time for you and your ilk to grow up and accept reality.
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accept reality?? even Mccabe said there would be no FISA without the Steele dossier.

Try to get this through your thick head.... the individual allegations in the Steele Dossier were not presented as "facts" upon which the FBI was basing it's FISA request.
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they WERE presented as facts.
There was no notification that Steele was unverified ( which again was against Woods procedure)

The FBI also made it crystal clear in the application, that the SD had been financed by the opposing campaign.
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did you read the footnote -that's not what it says

that crux being how difficult it is to get a FISA warrant and the high hurdles they had to clear.
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the hurdles were not cleared at all
There were plenty of other more reliable sources of suspicion that the FBI used to secure the warrant, which is why the warrant was granted to begin with
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guilt by association -nothing reliable about them
 
anatta said:
I read it up to page 16 when it became all steele BS.
There are no allegations I can see just circumstantial meetings -most easily explained.

consider this: that certainly wasn't enough to justify a FISA - all the goodies were in the Steele part.
Given the fact the FBI leadership is on record that they had serious questions abut steele ( new email chain)-

what could possible then justify a FISA? Only the fact the application was treated as truthful was it granted.
Fake FISA
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Wait a minute, Page was already on the FBI's radar for existing questionable activities, and then traveling to Russia for another matter he takes the time later to meet with two identified Russian espionage connections and your telling us that that is "circumstantial meetings?"

You should have read past page sixteen, and the later addendum, you find that the FICA applications were completely merited
 
anatta said:
accept reality?? even Mccabe said there would be no FISA without the Steele dossier.

"did you read the footnote -that's not what it says"
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If you are talking about Nunes memo as the reference, keep in mind it is Nunes memo, and he hated to put that footnote in, probably why it is just a footnote

And again, right in the FICA application it states the dossier was financed by a political rival, what Trumpkins are framing is that it didn't specifically state the Clinton campaign
 
archives said:
Wait a minute, Page was already on the FBI's radar for existing questionable activities, and then traveling to Russia for another matter he takes the time later to meet with two identified Russian espionage connections and your telling us that that is "circumstantial meetings?"

You should have read past page sixteen, and the later addendum, you find that the FICA applications were completely merited
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ridiculous again. why was Page "already on the radar".. are you seriously claiming a patriot who helped convict the Manhattan spy ring was then "on the radar?"
do you have any idea of just how grotesque a tale you are weaving? you are as bad as Strzok and Page.

Go after someone who travels to Russia and has a casual meeting and that puts them on the radar
after they have already worked UC for the FBI?? revolting
 
anatta said:
ridiculous again. why was Page "already on the radar".. are you seriously claiming a patriot who helped convict the Manhattan spy ring was then "on the radar?"
do you have any idea of just how grotesque a tale you are weaving? you are as bad as Strzok and Page.

Go after someone who travels to Russia and has a casual meeting and that puts them on the radar
after they have already worked UC for the FBI?? revolting
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It is alleged that Page met Igor Sechin, a Russian energy executive, and discussed lifting western sanctions imposed in response to the 2013 Ukrainian crisis. The application also alleges that Page met with Igor Divyekin, a Russian intelligence operative, and discussed compromising material on Hillary Clinton.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ration-releases-carter-page-wiretap-documents

“The FBI believes the Russian government’s efforts are being coordinated with Page and perhaps other individuals associated with [Trump’s] campaign,” the application with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court said.

Page is alleged in the documents to have had “established relationships with Russian Government officials, including Russian intelligence officers.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi...-aide-carter-page-recruited/story?id=56737033

But because he worked for Trump, you feel that the FBI, regardless of what kinds of intelligence data they might have which you know nothing about, should refrain from conducting surveillance on him or investigating.

Just sit on their hands or go sniff around Hillary Clinton's emails.

You are the definition of a ridiculous partisan hack.
 
archives said:
Wait a minute, Page was already on the FBI's radar for existing questionable activities, and then traveling to Russia for another matter he takes the time later to meet with two identified Russian espionage connections and your telling us that that is "circumstantial meetings?"

You should have read past page sixteen, and the later addendum, you find that the FICA applications were completely merited
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I think if there was any merit to the FISA applications Page would have been indicted. Why isn’t he? Faulty intelligence?

Let it be noted that liberals now advocate unwarranted spying on innocent US citizens.
 
Nomad said:
It is alleged that Page met Igor Sechin, a Russian energy executive, and discussed lifting western sanctions imposed in response to the 2013 Ukrainian crisis. The application also alleges that Page met with Igor Divyekin, a Russian intelligence operative, and discussed compromising material on Hillary Clinton.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ration-releases-carter-page-wiretap-documents

“The FBI believes the Russian government’s efforts are being coordinated with Page and perhaps other individuals associated with [Trump’s] campaign,” the application with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court said.

Page is alleged in the documents to have had “established relationships with Russian Government officials, including Russian intelligence officers.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi...-aide-carter-page-recruited/story?id=56737033

But because he worked for Trump, you feel that the FBI, regardless of what kinds of intelligence data they might have which you know nothing about, should refrain from conducting surveillance on him or investigating.

Just sit on their hands or go sniff around Hillary Clinton's emails.

You are the definition of a ridiculous partisan hack.
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Obviously those points are wrong.. so why did the FBI make them?

the 1st one is simply Page doing business in Russia

the 2nd one is unsupported. why would the FBI believe Page was coordinatiing with Trump campaign?
the answer is because of the Steele dossier "disclosures"

the 3rd point is ludicrous considering Page's history of working undercover for the FBI..

Like Mccabe testifyed "there would have been no FISA except for the Steele dossier"
They set him up as the fall guy and they used him to get inside the Trump campaign.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
I think if there was any merit to the FISA applications Page would have been indicted. Why isn’t he? Faulty intelligence?

Let it be noted that liberals now advocate unwarranted spying on innocent US citizens.
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they used him.
there was no "faulty intelligence" they used meetings to make a case he was an "Agent of a foreign power"
 
anatta said:
Obviously those points are wrong.. so why did the FBI make them?

the 1st one is simply Page doing business in Russia

the 2nd one is unsupported. why would the FBI believe Page was coordinatiing with Trump campaign?
the answer is because of the Steele dossier "disclosures"

the 3rd point is ludicrous considering Page's history of working undercover for the FBI..

Like Mccabe testifyed "there would have been no FISA except for the Steele dossier"
They set him up as the fall guy and they used him to get inside the Trump campaign.
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Dude, why don't you just admit that you don't know your asshole from a pothole about what Page was doing in Russia or what the FBI knew or what other intelligence they had about his activities? The warrant was so heavily redacted for security purposes, nobody outside Mueller's office and the FISC judges that reviewed and approved the application for the warrant know what's really in it.

And as for Page having been an informant for them.... so fucking what??? What has that got to do with anything???

How naive does one have to be, to not understand that people have been known to play both sides of the fence? You've never heard the term "double agent"? Benedict Arnold? It's really beyond your grasp that a guy could be totally self serving and sell his services to whoever paid?

Seriously, man.

Wake up.
 
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