Fatal shooting at Denver screening of The Dark Knight Rises

Aoxomoxoa said:
I thought those sort of venues had metal detectors?
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Movie theaters? LOL. Um... no. Plus he kicked in the emergency exit door. I don't think that he would have had to go through the detection check points even if they happened to exist.
 
Damocles said:
You can kill far more with a car than with a gun. Some old man accidentally hitting the accelerator rather than the brake driving into a crowd killed some 27 people in less than 30 seconds.
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See if you can see the difference between the old man with a car, and the malcontent who easily got himself some guns.
 
Damocles said:
Movie theaters? LOL. Um... no. Plus he kicked in the emergency exit door. I don't think that he would have had to go through the "detection" even if it happened to exist.
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How the hell do you kick one of those doors in from the outside???? Those look like they are heavy, metal doors? How can that be?
 
Damocles said:
I don't believe it is a "solution", and understand that by recognizing this right we take on some risk and I've already stated that I believe that the freedom and rights are worth the risk.

I understand that there is a risk of bad people doing bad things. In this scenario the best defense would be to have been armed. You and I both understand that, I believe it is why you avoided answering the question.

The idea that the solution would be to disarm everybody else is foolish. The bad guys aren't going to give up their weapons because you tell them to, only the good guys would do that.
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I answered the question, i didn't say "disarm everyone" -so please don't put words into my mouth. Proliferation of guns is problematic, is my position.

The wild west, the answer was everyone carried a gun, this isn't the wild west, it's Aurora Co.

What i'm telling you is it doesn't alwaysgo down like you think it does, we've had enough of these -surely someone - since concealed carry seems to be all the rage - was in a position to stop one of these? I see more and more multiple shootings, and there are lots of ppl who carry concealed.

So why isn't the abundence of guns -stopping any of these mass murders?
I'm sure having a gun -say as a shopkeeper would stop a robber, and I'm sure there have been ppl's lives whom have been saved by having a gun.

I just don't recall any mass murders being stopped by concealed carry.

Anyways, I don't want your gun, but you have to recognize the yin/yang here. Guns can take or save lives.

I guess i'd come down to ban carrying a rifle in public -not even sure if that would help. One thing is clear America has a problem with gun violence.

If I had a solution, i'd be running for President, i don't think there is "one size fits all" - nor do I think just arming everyone is going to reduce gun deaths. My best answer.
 
Bijou said:
See if you can see the difference between the old man with a car, and the malcontent who easily got himself some guns.
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See if you can tell me if more people would die from a person purposefully doing what this old man did on accident. Taking the guns away from the law abiding citizens will not stop the malcontent from killing people, they may even choose a more efficient means of killing a large amount of people.
 
Damocles said:
It "could have" made the situation far shorter as well.

One thing we know, not having a gun didn't help any of them at all. My point was that the idea that 10% of people in CO walk around with guns is flat stupid... He "assumed" that 10% of the people there were armed. That's just crazy. Our gun laws here are stricter than those in his state yet he "assumed" that we are more armed than they?
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Again, we can both bounce around all manner of scenarios that could have made it better or worse.

It is a sad statement on American culture that demands metal-detectors at a movie .. but even that could have made it better.

But what is it that metal-detectors are trying to keep out?

Guns.
 
blackascoal said:
You make my point brother. You have a gun and you think to kill me.

I have no thought whatsoever of ever killing you. If I had a gun, which I do not .. and you tried to take it .. I would give it to you. Your life is more valuable to me than a gun.
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difference is I would never try to take yours
 
annata said:
I answered the question, i didn't say "disarm everyone" -so please don't put words into my mouth. Proliferation of guns is problematic, is my position.
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Since I was quoting somebody else it is very likely I didn't put any words in your mouth.

The wild west, the answer was everyone carried a gun, this isn't the wild west, it's Aurora Co.
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And?

What i'm telling you is it doesn't alwaysgo down like you think it does, we've had enough of these -surely someone - since concealed carry seems to be all the rage - was in a position to stop one of these? I see more and more multiple shootings, and there are lots of ppl who carry concealed.
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There were, apparently, nobody in that theater carrying concealed.

So why isn't the abundence of guns -stopping any of these mass murders?
I'm sure having a gun -say as a shopkeeper would stop a robber, and I'm sure there have been ppl's lives whom have been saved by having a gun.
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They have.

I just don't recall any mass murders being stopped by concealed carry.
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Because you have yet to find one that happened in a place where somebody was carrying.

Anyways, I don't want your gun, but you have to recognize the yin/yang here. Guns can take or save lives.
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K... I didn't ask you whether you wanted my gun. Again, since I quoted somebody else it was likely I was talking to them.

I guess i'd come down to ban carrying a rifle in public -not even sure if that would help. One thing is clear America has a problem with gun violence.
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Exactly what would say "carrying"? If I lived in Denver and wanted to go hunting would I be forced to store my rifle in some other place? Also, how would that not be infringing on bearing arms?

If I had a solution, i'd be running for President, i don't think there is "one size fits all" - nor do I think just arming everyone is going to reduce gun deaths. My best answer.
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Nor do I. My only point is that I believe that the freedom and rights are worth the risk.
 
blackascoal said:
No amount of gun taking determeines that someone should be killed forit.
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and I ask again, where does it stop? who has to surrender at that point?

blackascoal said:
Because you want to kill someone over a gun. That is sick and demented.
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want to? no. will I? yes. huge difference.

blackascoal said:
So spend your life walking around with a gun because something remote might happen?

That's paranoia.
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it's called preparedness. same as having a fire extinguisher in your kitchen or vehicle. nothing more, nothing less.

blackascoal said:
Are you of the opinion that the shooter is not a gun-lover?

Of course he is.
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but you're also making the leap that because I love guns, that i'm waiting to walk in and blast away, right?
 
blackascoal said:
Again, we can both bounce around all manner of scenarios that could have made it better or worse.

It is a sad statement on American culture that demands metal-detectors at a movie .. but even that could have made it better.

But what is it that metal-detectors are trying to keep out?

Guns.
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having metal detectors at any door is not going to prevent someone from driving through the back emergency doors with guns.
 
blackascoal said:
Was everyone supposed to bring their guns into the movie?

The guy starts shooting and everybody pull out your guns and start blazing away in the chaos?

Let's all walk around with our fingers on the trigger .. just in case?
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Probably would make it worse, the number of scenarios that could end with people shooting because other people are shooting without an actual threat. Dark crowded room with lots of noise and people, yes exactly the scene for lots of loaded guns.

(sigh)
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and I say that attempting to deprive me of a tool to defend my life means you do not value my life.
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It's a miracle, STY is like a gyroscope, no matter how far out he starts spinning or what direction it is. He will always come back to the same topic, "Them's trying to take away my freedom's an mah guns. Killem all."


Oh and personally I think this is as much a terrorist incident as 9/11 was. Certainly terrifies me.
 
blackascoal said:
No amount of gun taking determeines that someone should be killed fort.
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Then keep your filthy mitts off of my stuff. It isn't yours. It is mine. I don't come around taking your stuff. I don't try to decide what you can and can't have. As long as I am not harming anyone, why can't you just leave me be? Why are you marxist/nazi's so meddlesome? What makes you think you have all of the answers as to what is good for everyone? You don't by the way.
 
Darla said:
How the hell do you kick one of those doors in from the outside???? Those look like they are heavy, metal doors? How can that be?
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I actually was wondering the same thing, not only are they not "light" doors, but they open OUT not IN. So for him to have been able to kick them in seems a bit sketchy to me. The only thing I can think is that they were double doors and the divider between them wasn't very sturdy. If it was a single door, I can't see how it was possible.
 
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