Fatal shooting at Denver screening of The Dark Knight Rises

WinterBorn said:
Ok, so lets look at ways to make our world safer. (it will never be totally safe unless all freedoms are removed)

Can you at least acknowledge that the statement "There are no responsible gun owners. Period." was inaccurate?
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I agree that it was inaccurate. However, I do get Howey's point with the statement and qualified it with my own by saying that the potential for disaster exists in every home possessing a gun, and I stand by that. While the potential in your home may be lower because you are more responsible than many, the potential still exists. And that's the extent to which I wish to engage in the 'Winterborn is a responsible gun owner' discussion. Are you ready to move on now?
 
evince said:
trying to disarm the entire country would be like trying to end all drug abouse through force.

No sane person wants to end all gun ownership.

Its fools paradice.

we need to craft good healthcare for ALL and craft SANE gun ownership.


you just let the wealthy buy your mind so they can keep us fighting each other while they rape us once again.
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Yeah, yeah,....stay on topic....platitudes don't cut it ma'am....What do you mean by "sane"?
 
Bijou said:
I agree that it was inaccurate. However, I do get Howey's point with the statement and qualified it with my own by saying that the potential for disaster exists in every home possessing a gun, and I stand by that. While the potential in your home may be lower because you are more responsible than many, the potential still exists. And that's the extent to which I wish to engage in the 'Winterborn is a responsible gun owner' discussion. Are you ready to move on now?
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I still intend to harrass Howey about it, but I am happy to move on in a sane discussion with you.

I do, however, disagree that if I lock up my guns in gun safes, that them being stolen is a reflection on my ownership. The potential exists for many dangers.


Now, what do you suggest as far as policies to help remedy the situation? Personally, I think the root of the issue is the lack of quality mental health (especially for those lacking the funds), and the stigma attached to seeking mental health care.
 
WinterBorn said:
Now THIS is a good response to the event. Look to the root cause of the tragedy and address that.
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Yesterday, Charles Krauthammer(FOX commentator and psychiatrist)said much the same thing. He noted that since Columbine, gun laws have gotten more draconian, but the way our legal system deals with the mentally ill has become increasingly timid because of concerns about civil liberties. It's become damn near impossible to involuntarily commit someone. Not to mention the parents and loved ones of these tormented souls are not helping. I understand one of the parents of the suspect said, when contacted by police, "yeah, you got the right guy". I wonder what the parents knew?
 
you can just go back abnd buy more if you run out huh?

there is no need to have all that ammo at once unless of course you planning to fire it all off at once.


who does that?

oh yeah murderers like this kid with an chemically unbalenced brain due to mental disease
 
They very likely were trying to get him help and because he was an adult they did not have the power calli
 
Rana said:
Not being able to buy six thousand rounds of ammunition on the web, is a great place to start!
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Eh, that is simply a convenience. I can buy a box of 50 rounds at 20 different stores within 45 mins of my house (and I live in the boonies).

How about mandatory gun safety classes? They could be arranged as a partnership between gun manufacturers, the NRA and state/local gov'ts. These sort of classes were once available in public schools. You could even get the National Guard involved.
 
evince said:
trying to disarm the entire country would be like trying to end all drug abouse through force.

No sane person wants to end all gun ownership.

Its fools paradice.

we need to craft good healthcare for ALL and craft SANE gun ownership.


you just let the wealthy buy your mind so they can keep us fighting each other while they rape us once again.
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Exactly, another good regulations, dealers need to report large purchases of ammunition!
 
WinterBorn said:
I still intend to harrass Howey about it, but I am happy to move on in a sane discussion with you.

I do, however, disagree that if I lock up my guns in gun safes, that them being stolen is a reflection on my ownership. The potential exists for many dangers.


Now, what do you suggest as far as policies to help remedy the situation? Personally, I think the root of the issue is the lack of quality mental health (especially for those lacking the funds), and the stigma attached to seeking mental health care.
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Several suggestions have been brought up and in my view a multi-pronged approach is needed. Ultimately, an evolution in our culture will be what ensures sustained sanity regarding guns and gun rights. I'm in agreement that sound mental health should be the highest priority determining who can and cannot purchase/possess firearms. I am not of the opinion that everyone has a 'right' to gun ownership. Not everyone is psychologically fit to assume the responsibility, risk and consequences.
 
evince said:
you can just go back abnd buy more if you run out huh?

there is no need to have all that ammo at once unless of course you planning to fire it all off at once.


who does that?

oh yeah murderers like this kid with an chemically unbalenced brain due to mental disease
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I have gone thru almost 1,000 rounds at the range with my family. And that is not even considering the rounds of .22 lr ammo we have fired. Bulk ammo is not really much of an issue. In the same way I can go buy more, those with evil intent can do the same.
 
WinterBorn said:
Eh, that is simply a convenience. I can buy a box of 50 rounds at 20 different stores within 45 mins of my house (and I live in the boonies).

How about mandatory gun safety classes? They could be arranged as a partnership between gun manufacturers, the NRA and state/local gov'ts. These sort of classes were once available in public schools. You could even get the National Guard involved.
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I don't think a gun safety class would have helped this kid. A red alert of someone buying this much ammo could lead to an agent knocking on his door asking questions that may have inconvenienced him, but saved the lives of those in Aurora.
 
Rana said:
Not being able to buy six thousand rounds of ammunition on the web, is a great place to start!
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What does the amount of ammunition a person holds, have to do with whether or not a person will "nut" out and start shooting up innocent people?
 
evince said:
ammo limits.

and reasonable tracking of sales and to whom.


Less rapid fire.
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Actually, the rapid fire is not as big an issue to me. If I were to snap and decide to go on a killing spree, it would not be with the two rifles I own that fit the "assault rifle" description. One of my hunting rifles would be far more dangerous. Think about the pair that terrorized the country shooting from the trunk of the car. They weren't particularly good at shooting, in my opinion. Pretty much anyone I have ever hunted with could do better with their deer rifle. And the ratio of killed to wounded would be much worse.
 
how many people?


If you let ONE person purchase so much ammo all at once these things will happen.


Now what you are really worried about is the gov coing after the people right?


If you are then be assured by the thought that your local gun shop owner will hand ammo out free to gun owners if the gov tried to do that.


Trust your fellow American to be a true American.


That is what all this splitting up of the people is all about.

the wealthy paying for propaganda to make us distrust each other so they can devide and conquer and keep us buzy fighting each other while they rape us.
 
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