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As if. I've spent the last decade we have known each other speaking against both R and D spending. Spending drives taxation, there is no getting around that. You can try to push it off to the future by using debt, but the reality of it is this election is about the spending.


Actually, as the OP makes quite abundantly clear, a big part of this election is about taxes. You want to pretend people give a shit about future taxation when really they think their taxes have already been increased and that's what they're pissed about.
 
Methinks Damo is a little too eager to believe a "D" just because he seems to agree with an "R".

Damo - there is no "moment of truth" in saying that all of the actual spending in the stimulus - 100% of it - was wasted....

neither is there in claiming it was 100% necessary

its really funny how you so strongly believe everyone you dont' agree with is a hack, but yet you're never wrong and are always right and certaintly not a hack...

what a strange world your mind lives in
 
neither is there in claiming it was 100% necessary

its really funny how you so strongly believe everyone you dont' agree with is a hack, but yet you're never wrong and are always right and certaintly not a hack...

what a strange world your mind lives in

Yurt, real people - people who are sane - are having an actual discussion here.

My "R" and "D" thing was a take on Damo, in case you missed it. He's the one who went for "hack" here, though you seemed to have missed that.

You must still be smarting from that embarassing thread about Ford....
 
Yurt, real people - people who are sane - are having an actual discussion here.

My "R" and "D" thing was a take on Damo, in case you missed it. He's the one who went for "hack" here, though you seemed to have missed that.

You must still be smarting from that embarassing thread about Ford....

why do you have to continually convince yourself that you are sane?

why do you continually obsess about past threads and why do you falsely claim i am embarrassed by them? seriously, stop living in a fantasy world and claiming everyone else is a hack except you
 
Actually, as the OP makes quite abundantly clear, a big part of this election is about taxes. You want to pretend people give a shit about future taxation when really they think their taxes have already been increased and that's what they're pissed about.

considering obama has repeatedly run around the campaign circuit claiming most of his agenda has not been accomplished....i think its fair to say people are concerned about the future as well.....
 
Where's the question? I just saw his answer that clearly isn't restricted to spending during his term and clearly is not simply in reference to the stimulus. I take him at his clear meaning.





I'm not arguing this nonsense with you.
The paragraph with the quote put it in context. You remove the context then add whatever meaning you want it to have. And whether or not you want to argue the "nonsense" that you feel compelled to apologize for Bennet tells us much.
 
Actually, as the OP makes quite abundantly clear, a big part of this election is about taxes. You want to pretend people give a shit about future taxation when really they think their taxes have already been increased and that's what they're pissed about.
I don't argue that they come to the right conclusion through good information. I simply point out that the spending gives them the belief that their taxes have been raised. IMO, they are right, just wrong in time line. You can pretend that spending like we've done in the past two years could not possibly have anything to do with why they "feel" this way, then you are in for a long ride. I hope you continue to promote out of control spending to the detriment of the future, it's worked so well for both of the major parties... Causing Americans (the same ones you now say are stupid) to vote out the R party because suddenly Ds sounded like they might have more fiscal responsibility.. elections have consequences, as do promises like the "never more than 8% unemployment" pledge...
 
why do you have to continually convince yourself that you are sane?

why do you continually obsess about past threads and why do you falsely claim i am embarrassed by them? seriously, stop living in a fantasy world and claiming everyone else is a hack except you

Stop projecting.

Past threads are relevant, as is sanity; when someone establishes a pattern of dishonesty, lunacy & wild contradictions, that is certainly relevant in the context of a current debate.

And I understand why you would want to forget about that thread.

And just a reminder - Damo went for "hack" and tried to dodge the issue. I merely called him on that. I wouldn't expect you to.
 
Stop projecting.

Past threads are relevant, as is sanity; when someone establishes a pattern of dishonesty, lunacy & wild contradictions, that is certainly relevant in the context of a current debate.

And I understand why you would want to forget about that thread.

And just a reminder - Damo went for "hack" and tried to dodge the issue. I merely called him on that. I wouldn't expect you to.

anyways...back to the thread, enough of onceler's thread derailing....
 
The paragraph with the quote put it in context. You remove the context then add whatever meaning you want it to have. And whether or not you want to argue the "nonsense" that you feel compelled to apologize for Bennet tells us much.

Damo, why do you think anyone is "apologizing" for Bennet?

You brought him up; and you seemed to think it added a lot of heft to the idea that all of the stimulus spending was wasted that this one politician who is in a fight for his political life said that....
 
They have more money to spend. The tax cuts were applied to the withholding, so they get a little more in each paycheck. The reason the Obama administration did it thsi way, instead of a large check like Bush did (and then took back at tax time), is that large checks tend to be deposited into savings accounts, and therefore have little or no stimulative effect. A few extra bucks in each paycheck get spent immediately, and that's what the economy needs to stimulate it. If you were better informed...well, that isn't ever going to happen, is it? If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass every time he jumps, and we have a better chance of seeing a winged frog than a well-informed right-winger.

Obama's pseudo tax cut wasn't enough to cover the raise in gasoline prices, school taxes, or any number of other increases that occurred....
it was a once and done apparition that appears and disappears in the night. As a stimulant for the economy, it a sham...to help pay a small part of existing and ongoing bills....

BTW, in re: Bravo's comment that "it would be better if people had jobs and the economy shrunk." You all do realize that's not possible, don't you?

Oh, it is possible.....I didn't claim it was sustainable for any length of time.
If we had a relatively static economy and people were working, there would be much less public discontent ....
 
The paragraph with the quote put it in context. You remove the context then add whatever meaning you want it to have. And whether or not you want to argue the "nonsense" that you feel compelled to apologize for Bennet tells us much.


I am not apologizing for shit. I just think your take on what he said is garbage.
 
There is no context in which a reference to $13T of debt relates merely to the stimulus, which is what you were claiming.
You are wrong. The paragraph with the quote directly tells you the context, which I also provided her in this thread. You can work hard at ignoring it if you'd like, but it is there. As I said, I'm good with that. It really doesn't matter to me. It wouldn't ever matter what he said, you'd vote for Bennet anyway.
 
You are wrong. The paragraph with the quote directly tells you the context, which I also provided her in this thread. You can work hard at ignoring it if you'd like, but it is there. As I said, I'm good with that. It really doesn't matter to me. It wouldn't ever matter what he said, you'd vote for Bennet anyway.


Against, Buck certainly. Likewise, it wouldn't matter to you what Bennett actually said, you wouldn't vote for him.
 
Against, Buck certainly. Likewise, it wouldn't matter to you what Bennett actually said, you wouldn't vote for him.
I usually vote for the libertarian, in this case though, Buck is good enough. It's true I wouldn't vote for Bennet, because his answer is, "We didn't get anything from this spending, so we need to spend still more!"

There comes a time when people want you to stop digging. I voted for Campbell when he was a D for the Senate... It isn't the party affiliation that makes the difference there Nigel. At least not for me.
 
I usually vote for the libertarian, in this case though, Buck is good enough. It's true I wouldn't vote for Bennet, because his answer is, "We didn't get anything from this spending, so we need to spend still more!"

There comes a time when people want you to stop digging. I voted for Campbell when he was a D for the Senate... It isn't the party affiliation that makes the difference there Nigel. At least not for me.


The party designation is simply a convenient shorthand for the guy that I agree with on policy matters. It isn't really a matter of party but policy.

By the way, who was the last Democrat you actually voted for in an election for national office?
 
The party designation is simply a convenient shorthand for the guy that I agree with on policy matters. It isn't really a matter of party but policy.

By the way, who was the last Democrat you actually voted for in an election for national office?
Ben Campbell, he later changed parties to R. It was in the previous post, more evidence that you only see what you want. I also voted against Pat Miller for Congress... That would be David Skaggs.

I agree it is a policy thing. I believe, along with most Americans (as we'll see on Tuesday), that the current policy plans are detrimental to our future.
 
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