Farmer faces $2.8 million fine after plowing field

[SmarterthanYou]

Buyer beware.

odd how liberals are FOR free market capitalism when it comes to government power......which is really retarded

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

You know what people are held in contempt in every professional job I have ever had? People who act like know it all about topics they have no training or expertise in.

You know nothing about the statutory definitions and case history of the Clean Water Act. These EPA regulators do, and I have the background and knowledge to be able to tell you have never even picked up a copy of the Clean Water Act.

Irony alert on aisle 9.

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

No one, if you buy a parcel of land and the wetlands are part of the parcel, you don't own them, they are protected, it is spelled out in your deed.
It's like mineral rights, you can own the land but not mineral rights in some cases, proven a structure on a piece of property, but not the land.

You're assuming it is spelled out in the deed. That is a risky assumption.

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

That is the literal definition of fucking retarded.

It actually makes sense. Some people don't want to mine the minerals etc, and are happy to just own the land. Because buying land with known or suspected minerals (think Texas oil) can be quite a bit more money.

 

[Althea]

I have seen numerous cases of land owners who wanted to log off acreage that entails crossing a stream on their own property. There are methods that must be employed in order to avoid, at the very least, getting mud in the water. They own the land/trees/property that the stream runs on. They still have to comply with safe/clean methods of crossing the stream.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You might own them, but you are not allowed to alter them without permission/permits. Does that help you at all?

1) it helps show Rana knows not the fuck of which she speaks....but...
2) it tells us nothing about this case......were the "wetlands" mud puddles or rivers......you don't need permission if there are no riparian rights involved......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I am impressed with your knowledge on this topic, which far exceeds the poseurs and phony know-it-alls.

This farmer is a business man. I know enough farmers to know they are smart and savvy enough to know you are not supposed to plow up wetlands at will.

If he was really a savvy business man, it would have been far cheaper for him to comply with the law and get a permit - as you stated earlier.

The CWA does not prohibit modifying the nation's waterways. People do it legally all the time. The law does require that anybody who modifies the nation's jurisdictional surface water resources, they must mitigate those impacts in a variety of ways. That just makes sense.

The rightwing media just uses cases like this to dangle red meat in front of poorly informed wingnut rubes.

which begs the question of whether there were actually defined jurisdictional surface water resources involved.....

Duarte hired a consulting firm to map out areas on the property that were not to be plowed because they were part of the drainage for Coyote and Oat creeks and were considered “waters of the United States.