Family value USA vs france

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New York City Republican Congressman Vito Fossella has announced that he will not run for a sixth congressional term this November. The odds that voters would re-elect him are close to nil. The recent revelation that Fossella, married with children, has a three year old child with his mistress of many years has put an end to the political career of this staunch pro-family values Conservative.

By contrast, French voters had no problem with the fact that Francois Mitterand -- who passed away in 1996 after having been France's longest serving president -- was married with children, and also had a daughter with his mistress.

The difference in reactions to Fossella and Mitterand's second families is due in large part to basic differences in definitions of family values in each country.

In the U.S. politicians are defined as pro-family values if they:

• Oppose abortion.
• Oppose stem cell research.
• Oppose gay marriage.
• Give lip service to the sanctity of traditional marriage and the importance of the traditional family
• Attend church regularly.

As far as the French are concerned, these issues have little if anything to do with family values. For them "pro-family" means supporting policies that play a major role in helping families -- parents and children -- in their daily lives. Politicians are considered pro-family values if they vote for continued government support for:

• Universal, accessible medical care.
• Family allowances paid to parents of young children to help them with the costs of raising children.
• Minimum of four day stays in hospital for mothers giving birth.
• Social workers available cost-free to help parents of newborns with child-rearing, finances, and other issues.
• State-run day care for children from the age of 4 months, with payment based on parents' income, and free preschool programs for all children starting at age 3, all with teachers who have completed a two year program in pedagogy.
• Free education, elementary school through university, including graduate school, medical, law, and other professional schools.
• A work year of approximately 1440 hours and one month paid vacation which makes for more "quality time" for parents and children. (Americans work approximately 1800 hours per year according to World Policy Institute researchers. The United States is the only advanced economy in the world that does not guarantee its workers paid vacation days and paid holidays, according to economist John Schmitt of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.)

Family values politicians would be quick to reject these kinds of benefits as constituting unAmerican socialism, and would undoubtedly allege that they are the reason France has an enormous national debt and a dysfunctional economy.

France certainly has its economic problems (including the same kind of problems we have with jobs going to third world countries), but, according to the International Monetary Fund, with a population a little over 60 million, it ranked as the world's 6th largest economy in 2007. Not too shabby.

According to the 2007, CIA World Factbook, the French and U.S. national debts are both estimated at approximately 64.7% of each nation's GDP (Gross Domestic Product). A major part of our national debt is due to Pentagon spending -- just under $600 billion in 2007. The first five years of the war in Iraq added about $400 billion to what was already by far the highest military budget in the world. According to Noble Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the war will continue to significantly increase our national debt since it is very likely to end up costing up between 1 and 2 trillion dollars. A major part of France's national debt is caused by the services and benefits listed above which are arguably investments in its future economic and social well-being. Many of these services and benefits -- paid vacations, annual work hours ranging from about 1350 for Holland to 1670 for the U.K., universal healthcare etc. -- are typical of most Western European countries.

While anything approaching the French definition of family values is unthinkable in our anti-socialist, pro-corporate, anti-tax, rugged individualist "government off my back" nation, the upcoming U.S. presidential election will indicate whether Americans are ready to take a small step forward in redefining family values. Will they vote for Republicans whose rhetoric espouses family values or Democrats whose programs and policies value families?
 
New York City Republican Congressman Vito Fossella has announced that he will not run for a sixth congressional term this November. The odds that voters would re-elect him are close to nil. The recent revelation that Fossella, married with children, has a three year old child with his mistress of many years has put an end to the political career of this staunch pro-family values Conservative.

By contrast, French voters had no problem with the fact that Francois Mitterand -- who passed away in 1996 after having been France's longest serving president -- was married with children, and also had a daughter with his mistress.

The difference in reactions to Fossella and Mitterand's second families is due in large part to basic differences in definitions of family values in each country.

In the U.S. politicians are defined as pro-family values if they:

• Oppose abortion.
• Oppose stem cell research.
• Oppose gay marriage.
• Give lip service to the sanctity of traditional marriage and the importance of the traditional family
• Attend church regularly.

As far as the French are concerned, these issues have little if anything to do with family values. For them "pro-family" means supporting policies that play a major role in helping families -- parents and children -- in their daily lives. Politicians are considered pro-family values if they vote for continued government support for:

• Universal, accessible medical care.
• Family allowances paid to parents of young children to help them with the costs of raising children.
• Minimum of four day stays in hospital for mothers giving birth.
• Social workers available cost-free to help parents of newborns with child-rearing, finances, and other issues.
• State-run day care for children from the age of 4 months, with payment based on parents' income, and free preschool programs for all children starting at age 3, all with teachers who have completed a two year program in pedagogy.
• Free education, elementary school through university, including graduate school, medical, law, and other professional schools.
• A work year of approximately 1440 hours and one month paid vacation which makes for more "quality time" for parents and children. (Americans work approximately 1800 hours per year according to World Policy Institute researchers. The United States is the only advanced economy in the world that does not guarantee its workers paid vacation days and paid holidays, according to economist John Schmitt of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.)

Family values politicians would be quick to reject these kinds of benefits as constituting unAmerican socialism, and would undoubtedly allege that they are the reason France has an enormous national debt and a dysfunctional economy.

France certainly has its economic problems (including the same kind of problems we have with jobs going to third world countries), but, according to the International Monetary Fund, with a population a little over 60 million, it ranked as the world's 6th largest economy in 2007. Not too shabby.

According to the 2007, CIA World Factbook, the French and U.S. national debts are both estimated at approximately 64.7% of each nation's GDP (Gross Domestic Product). A major part of our national debt is due to Pentagon spending -- just under $600 billion in 2007. The first five years of the war in Iraq added about $400 billion to what was already by far the highest military budget in the world. According to Noble Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the war will continue to significantly increase our national debt since it is very likely to end up costing up between 1 and 2 trillion dollars. A major part of France's national debt is caused by the services and benefits listed above which are arguably investments in its future economic and social well-being. Many of these services and benefits -- paid vacations, annual work hours ranging from about 1350 for Holland to 1670 for the U.K., universal healthcare etc. -- are typical of most Western European countries.

While anything approaching the French definition of family values is unthinkable in our anti-socialist, pro-corporate, anti-tax, rugged individualist "government off my back" nation, the upcoming U.S. presidential election will indicate whether Americans are ready to take a small step forward in redefining family values. Will they vote for Republicans whose rhetoric espouses family values or Democrats whose programs and policies value families?

Here is a thought. You could take all of those riches you so often brag about and start a business handing out all of those benefits you espouse. You see, the beauty of this country is that you don't need a gobblement policy to make those things happen. You can create your own little slice of heaven and show everyone how its done.

What are you waiting for? Make it happen Capn.
 
Here is a thought. You could take all of those riches you so often brag about and start a business handing out all of those benefits you espouse. You see, the beauty of this country is that you don't need a gobblement policy to make those things happen. You can create your own little slice of heaven and show everyone how its done.

What are you waiting for? Make it happen Capn.
Eventually we will stop the trillions on military and switch half of it to education and health care.
Fucking uneducated redneck NRAZI boy
 
Looks like tin foil and other rightwingers you blame your daddy for not finishing college

Funny, you don't comment on SteelPlate not going to college. Why is that? Is it that you save your petty insults for those who you disagree with? It is OK that SteelPlate didn't go to college because he shares your liberalism?

As much as I would love to share my academic achievements with you, I prefer protecting my anonymity. And besides, you would just scoff and or accuse me of lying. So feel free to throw out the claim. Fortunately, my self esteem is derived from things that you can't impact. Just because you are a shallow, empty shell of a person who places too much importance on things like money doesn't mean others do as well. You would do well to learn that.


You are merely lashing out because I have thrown your hypocrisy in your face. Not bad for a guy you claim has never been to college. ;)
 
New York City Republican Congressman Vito Fossella has announced that he will not run for a sixth congressional term this November. The odds that voters would re-elect him are close to nil. The recent revelation that Fossella, married with children, has a three year old child with his mistress of many years has put an end to the political career of this staunch pro-family values Conservative.

By contrast, French voters had no problem with the fact that Francois Mitterand -- who passed away in 1996 after having been France's longest serving president -- was married with children, and also had a daughter with his mistress.

The difference in reactions to Fossella and Mitterand's second families is due in large part to basic differences in definitions of family values in each country.

In the U.S. politicians are defined as pro-family values if they:

• Oppose abortion.
• Oppose stem cell research.
• Oppose gay marriage.
• Give lip service to the sanctity of traditional marriage and the importance of the traditional family
• Attend church regularly.

As far as the French are concerned, these issues have little if anything to do with family values. For them "pro-family" means supporting policies that play a major role in helping families -- parents and children -- in their daily lives. Politicians are considered pro-family values if they vote for continued government support for:

• Universal, accessible medical care.
• Family allowances paid to parents of young children to help them with the costs of raising children.
• Minimum of four day stays in hospital for mothers giving birth.
• Social workers available cost-free to help parents of newborns with child-rearing, finances, and other issues.
• State-run day care for children from the age of 4 months, with payment based on parents' income, and free preschool programs for all children starting at age 3, all with teachers who have completed a two year program in pedagogy.
• Free education, elementary school through university, including graduate school, medical, law, and other professional schools.
• A work year of approximately 1440 hours and one month paid vacation which makes for more "quality time" for parents and children. (Americans work approximately 1800 hours per year according to World Policy Institute researchers. The United States is the only advanced economy in the world that does not guarantee its workers paid vacation days and paid holidays, according to economist John Schmitt of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.)

Family values politicians would be quick to reject these kinds of benefits as constituting unAmerican socialism, and would undoubtedly allege that they are the reason France has an enormous national debt and a dysfunctional economy.

France certainly has its economic problems (including the same kind of problems we have with jobs going to third world countries), but, according to the International Monetary Fund, with a population a little over 60 million, it ranked as the world's 6th largest economy in 2007. Not too shabby.

According to the 2007, CIA World Factbook, the French and U.S. national debts are both estimated at approximately 64.7% of each nation's GDP (Gross Domestic Product). A major part of our national debt is due to Pentagon spending -- just under $600 billion in 2007. The first five years of the war in Iraq added about $400 billion to what was already by far the highest military budget in the world. According to Noble Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the war will continue to significantly increase our national debt since it is very likely to end up costing up between 1 and 2 trillion dollars. A major part of France's national debt is caused by the services and benefits listed above which are arguably investments in its future economic and social well-being. Many of these services and benefits -- paid vacations, annual work hours ranging from about 1350 for Holland to 1670 for the U.K., universal healthcare etc. -- are typical of most Western European countries.

While anything approaching the French definition of family values is unthinkable in our anti-socialist, pro-corporate, anti-tax, rugged individualist "government off my back" nation, the upcoming U.S. presidential election will indicate whether Americans are ready to take a small step forward in redefining family values. Will they vote for Republicans whose rhetoric espouses family values or Democrats whose programs and policies value families?

would you consider yourself a Francophile or general supporter of the European system?

i definitely support the accent on education by well trained teachers
 
Funny, you don't comment on SteelPlate not going to college. Why is that? Is it that you save your petty insults for those who you disagree with? It is OK that SteelPlate didn't go to college because he shares your liberalism?

As much as I would love to share my academic achievements with you, I prefer protecting my anonymity. And besides, you would just scoff and or accuse me of lying. So feel free to throw out the claim. Fortunately, my self esteem is derived from things that you can't impact. Just because you are a shallow, empty shell of a person who places too much importance on things like money doesn't mean others do as well. You would do well to learn that.


You are merely lashing out because I have thrown your hypocrisy in your face. Not bad for a guy you claim has never been to college. ;)
You must have missed me ragging him from laming daddy!
Your ashamed that's ok
 
would you consider yourself a Francophile or general supporter of the European system?

i definitely support the accent on education by well trained teachers
I'm half French, my mom dies a year ago Xmas, strangely I'm very interested in France. Previously I just wanted to go to the french open. I Like how they have free college and healthcare.
 
I'm half French, my mom dies a year ago Xmas, strangely I'm very interested in France. Previously I just wanted to go to the french open. I Like how they have free college and healthcare.

But, they don't have "free" college and healthcare. Do the professors work for "free"? Do the doctors work for "free"?

Again, why don't you start a business and provide these benefits to your workers? You claim to be rich. It should be easy for you. I am sure you could get plenty of publicity on PMSNBC. Hell, like 20 people might see it :)
 
But, they don't have "free" college and healthcare. Do the professors work for "free"? Do the doctors work for "free"?

Again, why don't you start a business and provide these benefits to your workers? You claim to be rich. It should be easy for you. I am sure you could get plenty of publicity on PMSNBC. Hell, like 20 people might see it :)
Tax payer funded you fucking retard NRAZI water carrier
 
Say what you want, the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys have a better standard of living than we do in the US.
 
Tax payer funded you fucking retard NRAZI water carrier

but it isn't "free" right? I mean didn't you learn that in Econ 101 when you got your MBA?

Nothing is really free is it? There is always a cost isn't there?

Now, back to you starting your business and providing all of those aforementioned benefits. When will you be doing that? Can you send me a business plan? I might want to invest if the ROI is there
 
but it isn't "free" right? I mean didn't you learn that in Econ 101 when you got your MBA?

Nothing is really free is it? There is always a cost isn't there?

Now, back to you starting your business and providing all of those aforementioned benefits. When will you be doing that? Can you send me a business plan? I might want to invest if the ROI is there
Assclown, I said cut military spending use half the cuts to fund
How's your market shorting!
 
I'm half French, my mom dies a year ago Xmas, strangely I'm very interested in France. Previously I just wanted to go to the french open. I Like how they have free college and healthcare.

Sorry about your mother, mine is still alive and 100% French as well. LaGesse was her maiden name.
 
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