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FACT CHECK: Obama Having It Both Ways on Economy?

Obama was more cautious than that in his prime-time news conference - possibly to the point of having it both ways.

AP

Wednesday, March 25, 2009


The president's spending plans and deficit projections rest on the assumption that the economy will post solid growth next year after a mild, further decline this year. Many economists think that's too rosy.

Obama was more cautious than that in his prime-time news conference - possibly to the point of having it both ways.

A look at some of his statements and how they square with the facts:

THE CLAIM: "We will recover from this recession. But it will take time, it will take patience, and it will take an understanding that when we all work together, when each of us looks beyond our own short-term interests to the wider set of obligations we have to each other, that's when we succeed."

THE FACTS: No one really knows when the recession will end. But Obama's own budget forecasts the recession will continue through this year but with a relatively shallow 1.2 percent decline in the gross domestic product.

Then, the budget predicts solid 3.2 percent growth for 2010, followed by three years of more than 4 percent growth each year.

Christina Romer, head of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said this week she was "incredibly confident" the U.S. economy will recover within a year.

Congressional Republicans and some Democratic budget hawks have suggested the Obama budget projections are unduly optimistic to make the math to pay for the president's programs work. The higher the GDP growth, the more tax revenues come in.

Meanwhile, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office last week predicted that the Obama budget would produce deficits averaging nearly $1 trillion over the next decade.

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OBAMA: "In this budget, we have made the tough choices necessary to cut our deficit in half by the end of my first term even under the most pessimistic estimates."

THE FACTS: Not all credible estimates foresee a deficit halved in that time.

Obama's budget forecast a deficit of $530 billion by the end of 2013. That would cut by half the deficit he inherited at the start of his term. To succeed, Obama is counting on a recovered economy, a tax boost for the rich and success in easing foreign entanglements. But his assertion that he can accomplish that "even under the most pessimistic estimates" flies in the face of an answer he gave moments later.

The Congressional Budget Office forecasts that Obama's spending plan would leave a deficit of $672 billion by the end of 2013. Explaining the differences between his projections and CBO's, Obama said his administration projects a higher growth rate.

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THE CLAIM: "Our assumptions are perfectly consistent with what blue-chip forecasters out there are saying."

THE FACTS: The Obama administration's economic growth projections are more optimistic over the next five years than those of the Blue Chip Consensus, a monthly average of 50 economic forecasts from the private sector.

The Blue Chip projection is for a deeper contraction this year than is foreseen by the administration --1.9 percent versus 1.2 percent. Then it foresees growth of only 2.1 percent next year, instead of 3.2 percent, and less than 3 percent in each of the next three years, when the administration's forecasts are for 4 percent or better.

After 2015, the blue chip forecast is a little brighter than the administration's.

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THE CLAIM: Obama repeated his assertion that his housing bailout will help "stabilize the housing market and help responsible homeowners stay in their homes."

THE FACTS: Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman have said some of the bailout money is bound to go to those who acted irresponsibly.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke has said it's important for the nation to go ahead with the plan even though it means assistance will go to some who should have known better than to get in over their heads.

Sheila Bair, head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., made a similar point when she said it's "simply impractical" to examine every delinquent loan and weed out those taken by people who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.

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THE CLAIM: Responding to Republican critics in Congress who say his proposed budget carries an irresponsible deficit, Obama said, "I suspect that some of those Republican critics have a short memory, because, as I recall, I'm inheriting a $1.3 trillion deficit, annual deficit, from them."

FACT: Obama inherited a whopper of a deficit, much of it due to policies and spending led by Republican President George W. Bush. But the Congress, which authorizes spending and is not blameless in driving up deficits, was controlled by Democrats in the last two years of Bush's presidency.
 
That's pretty weak. What's next? Ron Fournier's "analysis?"

whats next dung? If Obama himself said that the economic outlook is even bleaker than originally forecast, would you sit up here saying that it was necessary for him to say that to quell dissent among his fellow democrats?

I never understood the blind idolotry and undeserved steadfast support of Bush and I don't understand it with Obama. How partisan can two herds be?
 
whats next dung? If Obama himself said that the economic outlook is even bleaker than originally forecast, would you sit up here saying that it was necessary for him to say that to quell dissent among his fellow democrats?

I never understood the blind idolotry and undeserved steadfast support of Bush and I don't understand it with Obama. How partisan can two herds be?


It's fine to be critical of Obama. But doing so under the guise of a "fact check" that doesn't really check facts is stupid.

The first "fact" being "checked" isn't really a statement of fact at all.

On the second, the "fact check" actually points out that Obama himself corrected the record within moments of the offensive "fact."

The third doesn't even check the fact presented by Obama. Obama didn't say that his projection was consistent with the Blue Chip projections but that the assumptions underlying the projections are consistent with (not the same as) the blue-chip projections.

The fourth again takes Obama to task for saying something he didn't say, at least not in the quoted portion.

And the fifth is just plain stupid.
 
Yes, it's so weak to point out the disengenuous oratory of the chosen one. After all what's another 3 trillion dollars of massive spending.

Where are the facts, this rests on predictions on all sides.


Let me ask you about your term for Obama?

"The Chosen One"


You do realize he WAS Chosen by the American people to lead our country right?


He didnt have to disenfranchise any voters to win the election either like the idiot you walked in locked stop with while he systematically screwed up every fucking thing in this country.

I recall some pretty fucking "rosey" predictions you shallowed whole and now refuse to take responsibility for.
 
The foot is in the other shoe now.

Just 6 more months and the war will be over, Mission accompolished. :usflag:

Same old song different problem.
 
It's fine to be critical of Obama. But doing so under the guise of a "fact check" that doesn't really check facts is stupid.

The first "fact" being "checked" isn't really a statement of fact at all.

On the second, the "fact check" actually points out that Obama himself corrected the record within moments of the offensive "fact."

The third doesn't even check the fact presented by Obama. Obama didn't say that his projection was consistent with the Blue Chip projections but that the assumptions underlying the projections are consistent with (not the same as) the blue-chip projections.

The fourth again takes Obama to task for saying something he didn't say, at least not in the quoted portion.

And the fifth is just plain stupid.

The fifth is the one that makes the most sense actually. Obama is bullshitting to the extreme when saying he inherited a 1.3 trillion deficit from Republicans. The last budget deficit in 2008 was $455 billion in 2008.
And if he wants to be deceitful and pretend that the spending since then counts as Republican because he himself, Bush and the Democrat congress pushed for the first stupid bailout and pass it all off on the then president, then he should do well to remember that Bush is not a Republican critic of his plan.
 
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He didnt have to disenfranchise any voters to win the election either like the idiot you walked in locked stop with while he systematically screwed up every fucking thing in this country.
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Oh man not another poster with this hyperbole. Why can't you just discuss politics rationally?
 
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