TuTu Monroe
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Did you see where Ovama proposed an additional $313 billion in cuts to to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to pay for health care?
FACT CHECK: No 'death panel' in health care bill
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Did you see where Ovama proposed an additional $313 billion in cuts to to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to pay for health care?
ib1yysguy
Junior Member
He's proposing cutting government subsidies to Medicare Advantage. Do you know what Medicare Advantage is?
uscitizen
Villified User
Medicare Advantage Plans
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Medicare Advantage Plans are health plan options that are part of the Medicare program. If you join one of these plans, you generally get all your Medicare-covered health care through that plan. This coverage can include prescription drug coverage. Medicare Advantage Plans include:
* Medicare Health Maintenance Organization (HMOs)
* Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO)
* Private Fee-for-Service Plans
* Medicare Special Needs Plans
When you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you use the health insurance card that you get from the plan for your health care. In most of these plans, generally there are extra benefits and lower copayments than in the Original Medicare Plan. However, you may have to see doctors that belong to the plan or go to certain hospitals to get services.
To join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you must have Medicare Part A and Part B. You will have to pay your monthly Medicare Part B premium to Medicare. In addition, you might have to pay a monthly premium to your Medicare Advantage Plan for the extra benefits that they offer.
If you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, your Medigap policy won’t work. This means it won’t pay any deductibles, copayments, or other cost-sharing under your Medicare Health Plan. Therefore, you may want to drop your Medigap policy if you join a Medicare Advantage Plan. However, you have a legal right to keep the Medigap policy.
To compare Medicare Advantage Plans, go to the Medicare Options Compare.
http://www.medicare.gov/choices/advantage.asp
So reducing subsidies to private insurance companies?
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Medicare Advantage Plans are health plan options that are part of the Medicare program. If you join one of these plans, you generally get all your Medicare-covered health care through that plan. This coverage can include prescription drug coverage. Medicare Advantage Plans include:
* Medicare Health Maintenance Organization (HMOs)
* Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO)
* Private Fee-for-Service Plans
* Medicare Special Needs Plans
When you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you use the health insurance card that you get from the plan for your health care. In most of these plans, generally there are extra benefits and lower copayments than in the Original Medicare Plan. However, you may have to see doctors that belong to the plan or go to certain hospitals to get services.
To join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you must have Medicare Part A and Part B. You will have to pay your monthly Medicare Part B premium to Medicare. In addition, you might have to pay a monthly premium to your Medicare Advantage Plan for the extra benefits that they offer.
If you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, your Medigap policy won’t work. This means it won’t pay any deductibles, copayments, or other cost-sharing under your Medicare Health Plan. Therefore, you may want to drop your Medigap policy if you join a Medicare Advantage Plan. However, you have a legal right to keep the Medigap policy.
To compare Medicare Advantage Plans, go to the Medicare Options Compare.
http://www.medicare.gov/choices/advantage.asp
So reducing subsidies to private insurance companies?
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that is not a bootstrap argument
ib1yysguy
Junior Member
Yeah. Bush instated it in 2003 and gave trillions to the healthcare industry to take seniors off the rolls of Medicare and put them on private insurance plans that give them similar care as Medicare but cost about 12 percent more, and they're not bound by the same rules. It's privatization of medicare, and you're paying for it. The government pays these people to charge seniors for care, and pays them huge amounts of money to do it. By the way, where were the cost hawks in 2003?
By the way, they bilked us of lots of money and in 2007 were investigated (once the Democrats were in and had the power to do so) and were found to have cheated the taxpayers out of billions. Private industry!
Anyway, Obama's suggesting we repeal Bush's medicare advantage disaster and save money but putting them back on normal medicare so we're not paying private industry to fuck up their coverage for no reason.
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ib1yysguy
Junior Member
I thought the cost is like 1.3 Trillion over 10 years. Turns out it's half a trillion.
You know what the CBO said Obama's plan would cost over 10 years?
Fish
New member
Sure it is. All poor people have to do if they don't want to be poor is pull themselves up by their metaphorical bootstraps.
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Lying Republicans (a redundancy) falsely claim that health insurance reform would increase the huge deficit that Bush ran up, when in fact the President has repeatedly said that reform must be deficit-neutral.
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The only Death Panels in America are the monsters employed by fat-cat health insurance companies. They routinely deny care and refuse coverage to people in need.
To claim that reform will result in a government conspiracy to impose euthanasia on the terminally ill is an absurd canard.
Advance care planning, the proposal that shrill compassionless conservatards allege is a code-word for killing Grandma, is not even mandatory in the House health care bill currently in committee.
Section 1233 of the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 amends the Social Security Act to ensure that advance care planning will be covered if a patient requests it from a qualified care provider [America's Affordable Health Choices Act, Sec. 1233].
According to the bill produced by three relevant House committees, the section provides coverage for consultation between enrollees and practitioners to discuss orders for life-sustaining treatment and instructs CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid) to modify the 'Medicare & You' informational handbook to incorporate information on end-of-life planning resources and to incorporate measures on advance care planning into the physician's quality reporting initiative.
Sadly, the rightwingnuts know this and still continue to lie to protect the profits of their masters.
To claim that reform will result in a government conspiracy to impose euthanasia on the terminally ill is an absurd canard.
Advance care planning, the proposal that shrill compassionless conservatards allege is a code-word for killing Grandma, is not even mandatory in the House health care bill currently in committee.
Section 1233 of the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 amends the Social Security Act to ensure that advance care planning will be covered if a patient requests it from a qualified care provider [America's Affordable Health Choices Act, Sec. 1233].
According to the bill produced by three relevant House committees, the section provides coverage for consultation between enrollees and practitioners to discuss orders for life-sustaining treatment and instructs CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid) to modify the 'Medicare & You' informational handbook to incorporate information on end-of-life planning resources and to incorporate measures on advance care planning into the physician's quality reporting initiative.
Sadly, the rightwingnuts know this and still continue to lie to protect the profits of their masters.