Expanded Background Checks Killed

how constitutional can the 'law' be when it denies a free man/woman the best means of self preservation?

The best means of self preservation? No...the best means of self preservation is to hide away from people like a hermit. Because, there's always the chance that you yourself could die in a shootout.
 
wide receiver was actually quite narrow....

Not only that Wide Receiver was done with the (sometimes limited) knowledge and participation of the Mexican government, while Fast and Furious was done with neither. There was also the attempt to actually track the weapons from Wide Receiver while Fast and Furious predicted that they would find them when they were found at crime scenes and through that they'd be "tracked" back to the big boss of the bad guys. The whole idea is just one of the stupidest excuses to give weapons to bad guys I have ever heard.

They ran this program in six cities, all we've heard about is Phoenix... In that one city more than 10 times the weapons were simply allowed to walk across the border without even an attempt to track them and with the expectation they'd be found at crime scenes. Exactly what kind of crimes do Cartels commit with these kind of weapons? We basically said we'd track them when we found them at murder scenes.

This was right around the time that Hillary was out decreeing that we needed some gun control because "90 percent" of the weapons that they tracked were from the US. Now this was bad information in many ways, the Mexican government only gave them lists of weapons they suspected were from the US to track, and... We expected to find many of them at crime scenes, it was the plan.
 
Get back to me when they can't own a car....or violent felons and insane people can own a gun but can't use it when violent or having an "episode".
so your true intent is to negate the right to property by implementing permission checks from the government. why do you hate freedom?
 
The best means of self preservation? No...the best means of self preservation is to hide away from people like a hermit. Because, there's always the chance that you yourself could die in a shootout.
now that you've identified the best way for you to avoid the fear of being shot in the head by someone, we can drop all this gun control talk and decide when you'll be moving.
 
so your true intent is to negate the right to property by implementing permission checks from the government. why do you hate freedom?

No...my true intent is to further limit access of deadly weapons designed to kill to violent criminals and the criminally insane. Why do you hate innocent victims of crime and mental illness?
 
now that you've identified the best way for you to avoid the fear of being shot in the head by someone, we can drop all this gun control talk and decide when you'll be moving.

Hey....I'm not the one who's scared....I didn't bring up the subject of self preservation. So, when will you be moving? I suggest the Arctic Circle
 
Not at all....other than the fact that we have to pay for them forever....do you have a problem with the ones that are out in the public having a more difficult time getting firearms?
what part of 'freedom' are you incapable of understanding? if they can't be trusted out in public with a weapon, you can't be trusted out in public. the quicker you statists understand this, the quicker you'll ditch this apathetic bullshit about letting violent criminals back out in to society.
 
what part of 'freedom' are you incapable of understanding? if they can't be trusted out in public with a weapon, you can't be trusted out in public. the quicker you statists understand this, the quicker you'll ditch this apathetic bullshit about letting violent criminals back out in to society.

Freedom? So....we should round up all paroled violent felons and anyone who's mentally ill, and lock them up for the rest of their lives. For freedom's sake?

All because you want to buy and sell without background checks.
 
Freedom? So....we should round up all paroled violent felons and anyone who's mentally ill, and lock them up for the rest of their lives. For freedom's sake?

All because you want to buy and sell without background checks.
what is a better way to provide for public safety? leaving violent felons and criminally insane on the streets? or re-incarcerating them?
 
what is a better way to provide for public safety? leaving violent felons and criminally insane on the streets? or re-incarcerating them?

For doing nothing wrong? And you call us totalitarians?

For someone smarter than everyone.... you're an idiot. Perhaps mentally ill. Seek help and incarcerate yourself for life.
 
For doing nothing wrong? And you call us totalitarians?
if they are doing nothing wrong, then why deny them all of their rights, like guns for self defense? That sounds more totalitarian,.

For someone smarter than everyone.... you're an idiot. Perhaps mentally ill. Seek help and incarcerate yourself for life.

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if they are doing nothing wrong, then why deny them all of their rights, like guns for self defense? That sounds more totalitarian,.



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Wow....the inability to purchase a weapon because of a history of violence or severe mental illness is MORE totalitarian than rounding all of them up and imprisoning them for life?

Yep....you're insane...hope they come for you first....hey! Is that a knock at your door?
 
Buying a gun at a pawn shop is not a private sale. But you're right...criminals will get a gun. All they have to do is wander the hallways at gun shows or check Craigslist.

Craigslist? WTF? They don't allow guns to be sold on that site.

You can, however, buy guns online. But they must be shipped to someone who holds an FFL. And they will run a background check before giving you the gun. Online sales are not one of the "loopholes".
 
Craigslist? WTF? They don't allow guns to be sold on that site.

You can, however, buy guns online. But they must be shipped to someone who holds an FFL. And they will run a background check before giving you the gun. Online sales are not one of the "loopholes".

Only if they're being shipped. Go to Armslist and some of the other "craigslist" type sites that specialize in weapons trading/sales. If they meet up in person...it's cash and carry.
 
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