Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

Timshel

New member
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...E97409R20130805?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

A secretive U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration unit is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans.


Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.


The undated documents show that federal agents are trained to "recreate" the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don't know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence - information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses.


"I have never heard of anything like this at all," said Nancy Gertner, a Harvard Law School professor who served as a federal judge from 1994 to 2011. Gertner and other legal experts said the program sounds more troubling than recent disclosures that the National Security Agency has been collecting domestic phone records. The NSA effort is geared toward stopping terrorists; the DEA program targets common criminals, primarily drug dealers.


"It is one thing to create special rules for national security," Gertner said. "Ordinary crime is entirely different. It sounds like they are phonying up investigations."http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...E97409R20130805?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
 
Mrs. Gertner is wrong the NSA is not much different. The efforts against terrorism condition us to accept this sort of behavior from the government. The drug war provided the first scapegoats used to justify Police State tactics though and it is no surprise the Feds will return to them.

Racists are also a huge threat to our civil liberties as they justify police state tactics against minorities through racial profiling which only conditions us to its more general use.
 
because Obama can be trusted not to abuse that power

And by the time he laves office and a Republican takes over, the whole dynamic will switch, with the left crying atrocities and the right saying it's for the good of the country, and people like you and I will be praying for a comet to just end it all because the proles have won.
 
And by the time he laves office and a Republican takes over, the whole dynamic will switch, with the left crying atrocities and the right saying it's for the good of the country, and people like you and I will be praying for a comet to just end it all because the proles have won.


The right is already saying it is for the good of the country. Further the majority of Democrats are opposing Obama.


http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jul/25/nsa-vote-representatives-breakdown


It seems this site has a large number of the neocon Democrats and others who are afraid to go against their usual allies. There are some vocal Republicans on this issue, but in general, they are the primary advocates of a police state.
 
The right is already saying it is for the good of the country. Further the majority of Democrats are opposing Obama.


http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jul/25/nsa-vote-representatives-breakdown


It seems this site has a large number of the neocon Democrats and others who are afraid to go against their usual allies. There are some vocal Republicans on this issue, but in general, they are the primary advocates of a police state.

Both 'sides' are the primary advocates, but only when they are in power or about to be in power.
 
Both 'sides' are the primary advocates, but only when they are in power or about to be in power.


I'm not an advocate of it when anyone is in power, but I recognize that I am in the minority. Most Americans don't give a shit at all. A smaller subset gives a shit depending on who holds the power. The smallest subset of all are the people that actually give a shit.
 
Both 'sides' are the primary advocates, but only when they are in power or about to be in power.

The facts just don't support the idea that the two major parties are equivalent. The Democrats have been far too quiet mainly due to Obama being in office and they don't deserve much credit for defending our liberty. But still, the majority voted for the Amash amendment. Meanwhile the majority of Republicans voted against it. Republicans are far and away the leading advocates of a surveillance state. They are also the primary proponents of the drug war and racially inspired attacks on civil liberties.

Libertarians should be making alliances with civil libertarian Democrats instead of bending over backwards to pretend that Republicans are no worse.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8_USrDOQxfdX18xbHpGbzJtNzA/edit?pli=1
 
Last edited:
I'm not an advocate of it when anyone is in power, but I recognize that I am in the minority. Most Americans don't give a shit at all. A smaller subset gives a shit depending on who holds the power. The smallest subset of all are the people that actually give a shit.

I am disinclined to believe you because you knowingly voted for this.
 
I am disinclined to believe you because you knowingly voted for this.


I knowingly voted for Obama, not this. This was going to happen regardless of how I voted. I voted for Obama because as between him and any other candidate with a viable chance of winning, I agree with Obama on far more issues than those other candidates (Rmoney).
 
I knowingly voted for Obama, not this. This was going to happen regardless of how I voted. I voted for Obama because as between him and any other candidate with a viable chance of winning, I agree with Obama on far more issues than those other candidates (Rmoney).
the lesser of two evils is still evil. better to be a man of principle, than a man of capitulation.
 
the lesser of two evils is still evil. better to be a man of principle, than a man of capitulation.


I've gone over this before with BAC. I'd rather have less evil than more, so I'm perfectly comfortable with my vote. You are obviously free to disagree, vote your principles and end up with the greater evil if you wish.
 
I've gone over this before with BAC. I'd rather have less evil than more, so I'm perfectly comfortable with my vote. You are obviously free to disagree, vote your principles and end up with the greater evil if you wish.
I'd rather see the world crash and burn in a big ball of nuclear flame than to smolder and die agonizingly slow.
 
I knowingly voted for Obama, not this. This was going to happen regardless of how I voted. I voted for Obama because as between him and any other candidate with a viable chance of winning, I agree with Obama on far more issues than those other candidates (Rmoney).

Yes, you did indeed vote for this. You knew Obamas record, you voted for it twice now. And in 2016 I would put down money you'll vote for it again.
 
I've gone over this before with BAC. I'd rather have less evil than more, so I'm perfectly comfortable with my vote. You are obviously free to disagree, vote your principles and end up with the greater evil if you wish.

I agree with you, DH. But I'm sure we'll both be flamed for it.
 
Yes, you did indeed vote for this. You knew Obamas record, you voted for it twice now. And in 2016 I would put down money you'll vote for it again.

That's stupid. Voting for someone isn't an endorsement of everything that person supports. If I limited myself to voting only for candidates who I am in 100% agreement with, I'd never vote for anyone.
 
And by the time he laves office and a Republican takes over, the whole dynamic will switch, with the left crying atrocities and the right saying it's for the good of the country, and people like you and I will be praying for a comet to just end it all because the proles have won.

Read a little harder. A lot of us on the left are highly critical of Obama.
 
Back
Top