Exaggerations and Lies Fuel GOP Gun Reform Opposition

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martin

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It's telling that Republicans find it necessary to exaggerate and lie in order to express their opposition to reforms of the nation's gun laws. A common refrain: "Democrats want to take guns from law abiding citizens."
Here yesterday was the House leading loud mouth, Jim Jordan, expounding on the modest gun bill the House later passed with a lopsided Democratic vote. "This is just the beginning of their goal, plain and simple, to get rid of the Second Amendment". The bill being negotiated in the Senate, the only one with a chance of becoming law, hasn't mustered enough support even for expanded background checks on 18 year olds to buy assault weapons. That one restriction would dampen the inevitability of the next school shooting. A sane country wouldn't legalize assault weapons for teenagers in the first place. The severest restriction in the House bill that horrifies Jordan is a requirement for gun owners to store their weapons securely. The point is, none of the proposed restrictions would take guns from law abiding citizens, all would easily satisfy the reasonable restriction exception of The Second Amendment established by the Heller case, but Republicans in effect admit they are unable debate the proposed reforms on their own terms, so they invent exaggerated ones.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/08/us/politics/gun-violence-bill-uvalde-buffalo.html
 
martin said:
It's telling that Republicans find it necessary to exaggerate and lie in order to express their opposition to reforms of the nation's gun laws. A common refrain: "Democrats want to take guns from law abiding citizens."
Here yesterday was the House leading loud mouth, Jim Jordan, expounding on the modest gun bill the House later passed with a lopsided Democratic vote. "This is just the beginning of their goal, plain and simple, to get rid of the Second Amendment". The bill being negotiated in the Senate, the only one with a chance of becoming law, hasn't mustered enough support even for expanded background checks on 18 year olds to buy assault weapons. That one restriction would dampen the inevitability of the next school shooting. A sane country wouldn't legalize assault weapons for teenagers in the first place. The severest restriction in the House bill that horrifies Jordan is requirement for gun owners to store their weapons securely. The point is, none of the proposed restrictions would take guns from law abiding citizens, all would easily satisfy the reasonable restriction exception of The Second Amendment established by the Heller case, but Republicans in effect admit they are unable debate the proposed reforms on their own terms, so they invent exaggerated ones.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/08/us/politics/gun-violence-bill-uvalde-buffalo.html
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Oh, my God! Of course they do!!! What else can they do? They don't want to give up their big guns for when the minorities come to replace them. So, scared shitless, racists like Expresslane, cling to their guns, quivering, terrified that a black man will touch their wives and their wives will prefer the black guy.

This is what it's all about. I know these guys. I've worked with them. They are like this. Even the college educated ones my age - major Nazis.
 
Hello Martin,

martin said:
It's telling that Republicans find it necessary to exaggerate and lie in order to express their opposition to reforms of the nation's gun laws. A common refrain: "Democrats want to take guns from law abiding citizens."
Here yesterday was the House leading loud mouth, Jim Jordan, expounding on the modest gun bill the House later passed with a lopsided Democratic vote. "This is just the beginning of their goal, plain and simple, to get rid of the Second Amendment". The bill being negotiated in the Senate, the only one with a chance of becoming law, hasn't mustered enough support even for expanded background checks on 18 year olds to buy assault weapons. That one restriction would dampen the inevitability of the next school shooting. A sane country wouldn't legalize assault weapons for teenagers in the first place. The severest restriction in the House bill that horrifies Jordan is a requirement for gun owners to store their weapons securely. The point is, none of the proposed restrictions would take guns from law abiding citizens, all would easily satisfy the reasonable restriction exception of The Second Amendment established by the Heller case, but Republicans in effect admit they are unable debate the proposed reforms on their own terms, so they invent exaggerated ones.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/08/us/politics/gun-violence-bill-uvalde-buffalo.html
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That whole 'law abiding citizens' thing is BS.

Every criminal was a 'law abiding citizen' right up until the moment they committed a crime.

Some people should not have guns. We need to try to find out who and prevent them from having guns.

There needs to be very in-depth background checks and a psyche test to get a gun.

And look at social media history.

btw, there should be a law. No deleting one's social media posts after 24 hours.

That would make people think twice about posting BS, and give the government what is needed to prevent kooks from getting guns.
 
Once again, the far left Democrat Socialist loons are trying to punish Americans who never use their guns to commit a crime.

Of course any restrictions on guns will be respected by the criminals...lol

The House Bill will die in the Senate, as it should.
 
If you are 21, you can purchase an AR-15 to protect yourself and your family.

If you are 20, you have to use a slingshot to protect yourself and your family.

Insanity!
 
If you are mentally ill, you should be institutionalized where you can't use a gun to harm anyone.

If you are a teenager, it is the responsibility of the parents to allow gun ownership, not the government.
 
Earl said:
If you are mentally ill, you should be institutionalized where you can't use a gun to harm anyone.

If you are a teenager, it is the responsibility of the parents to allow gun ownership, not the government.
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Like the not yet even a teenager, the 12 year old who pried open the locked gun cabinet at home, took a loaded revolver and held up a convenience store the other day. You must know little about teenagers if you think parents have the ability to oversee their behavior at all times.
 
Why You are tea said:
Mate you Yanks have to realize your second amendment is out dated mate !
It's killing your children.
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I didn’t realize the constitution was written with an expiration date.

The 2nd kills no one. Never has.

The only way to ensure no one is ever killed with a gun is to ban guns. All of them.

If a person can’t see that is the agenda of many left-thinking people (note I said “many” not “all” …) they are not paying attention. If a person can’t see how difficult and expensive, to downright impossible in some cases, gun ownership has become many countries with super restrictive gun laws … how they occurred in those countries little by little, step by ever loving step, they are being willfully blind.
 
Hello leaningright,

leaningright said:
I didn’t realize the constitution was written with an expiration date.

The 2nd kills no one. Never has.

The only way to ensure no one is ever killed with a gun is to ban guns. All of them.

If a person can’t see that is the agenda of many left-thinking people (note I said “many” not “all” …) they are not paying attention. If a person can’t see how difficult and expensive, to downright impossible in some cases, gun ownership has become many countries with super restrictive gun laws … how they occurred in those countries little by little, step by ever loving step, they are being willfully blind.
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The position of a total gun ban becomes more popular with every mass shooting.

If the right doesn't make some compromises on unregulated unlimited access to weapons of war on the streets of our nation, eventually there will be a majority in favor of a total ban.
 
martin said:
It's telling that Republicans find it necessary to exaggerate and lie in order to express their opposition to reforms of the nation's gun laws. A common refrain: "Democrats want to take guns from law abiding citizens."...
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Some Democrats certainly do want to take guns from law-abiding citizens. Beto and Hillary are two examples.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello leaningright,



Speaking of fulfillment of the 2nd...

When was the last time a well regulated militia was used for the security of this free state?
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Where I live a “well regulated militia” has held thieves and killers while waiting the 30-40 minutes for the law to get here…and have done it more than once. More that twice …

A “well regulated militia” took down a gunman inside a church in Texas before law enforcement could respond on more that one occasion, one of them saving several lives, IMO.

Security was provided by private ownership of weaponry. It is everyday.

Here’s a link … https://www.nrawomen.com/content/the-armed-citizen-june-3-2022/

Here’s a page of links … https://www.nrawomen.com/content/the-armed-citizen-june-3-2022/

It happens every day in urban, suburban and rural areas. But you know, this isn’t the main reason I take the stance on firearm ownership that I do.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Some Democrats certainly do want to take guns from law-abiding citizens. Beto and Hillary are two examples.
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You are a different example of the same dishonesty. There is no legislative proposal before Congress to take guns away from anyone.
 
martin said:
You are a different example of the same dishonesty. There is no legislative proposal before Congress to take guns away from anyone.
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So? Are you like the Isolationists who said Germany and Britain are not our problem? Or the Pre-9/11 terrorist threat ideology that it "wasn't our problem"?

Let's see who's dishonest here: IF Obama had successfully passed his 2013 Gun Control Bill, would you have been completely satisfied that it would have solved all the gun problems in America? Or would you have considered it a stepping stone? A good start?

If you have the honesty to answer, you'll be the first to do so. Most anti-gun Democrats run from the question because the answer is obvious: it's a stepping stone.

Since they always run, I can never ask them the question "A stepping stone to what???"

Beto: https://i0.wp.com/mssblog.com/wp-co...cdca2adf844589af4ec7d9503b127ddf529.jpg?ssl=1
 
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LurchAddams said:
Oh, my God! Of course they do!!! What else can they do? They don't want to give up their big guns for when the minorities come to replace them. So, scared shitless, racists like Expresslane, cling to their guns, quivering, terrified that a black man will touch their wives and their wives will prefer the black guy.

This is what it's all about. I know these guys. I've worked with them. They are like this. Even the college educated ones my age - major Nazis.
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PoliTalker said:
Hello Martin,



That whole 'law abiding citizens' thing is BS.

Every criminal was a 'law abiding citizen' right up until the moment they committed a crime.

Some people should not have guns. We need to try to find out who and prevent them from having guns.

There needs to be very in-depth background checks and a psyche test to get a gun.

And look at social media history.

btw, there should be a law. No deleting one's social media posts after 24 hours.

That would make people think twice about posting BS, and give the government what is needed to prevent kooks from getting guns.
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You are correct, a fact most gun huggers omit, most, “criminal was a 'law abiding citizen' right up until the moment they committed a crime”
 
Earl said:
"Some people should not have guns."

Where is that in the Second Amendment?
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Where is it in the Second Amendment that commercially sold bullets have to be allowed, guess if you want your distorted view of the Amendment we can ban bullets, fits Scalia’s “Originalism” bullshit
 
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