Exactly when did the Democrats grow balls?

[DamnYankee]

If chickenpox and scarlet fever make a comeback, it's because of idiot parents who refuse vaccines with the excuse that they aren't going to inject "poison" into their little darlings. A century's worth of medical knowledge re: the cause and treatment of disease will go down the drain because of these boneheads and their lack of social responsibility.

Or because some trail lawyer puts a decent company out of business and we have to rely on the Chinese to make the stuff.

 

[christiefan915]

Yeah, going against the will of the majority of Americans really takes balls.

You mean like the egregious judicial activism in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission where something like 80% of Americans spoke out against that decision?

 

[WinterBorn]

This disgusting "teabagger" innuendo has to stop.

It has to, huh? Good luck with that.

 

[Damocles]

This disgusting "teabagger" innuendo has to stop.

Feed the beast...

Just embrace it. They're the teabaggees...

 

[Canceled2]

It was an idyllic time, was it not? When Republicans still cared more about American lives than their political fortunes.

Your original point was that this was the biggest bill ever passed. Which is hilariously untrue.

Oh, so now, when confronted with facts you switch from "it's a lie" to "it was an idyllic time" you are such a fucking shill!

The fact of the matter is that this financial albatross of a bill was shoved down the the throats of the American people by a tyranical majority in congress and the people will not soon forget. This bill imo is designed to fail and is a back door to single payer...it was a scam that was unmasked early on. Yet with all the guile in the world Obama flipped off the American people and did what he wanted!

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Since when did PiMP start complaining that the health care reform wasn't liberal enough,

????....I didn't.....I merely pointed out that WM was more than ignorant enough.....

 

[Canceled2]

You mean like the egregious judicial activism in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission where something like 80% of Americans spoke out against that decision?

Link to the 80% proof?

Leave it to you to compare SCOTUS decisions to congressional law making. Where one must follow the rule of law as dictated by the Constitution and case law the other makes law and is beholden to their constituents to make sound judgments. The majority of American's thought this bill lacked sound economic policy.

 

[cawacko]

You mean like the egregious judicial activism in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission where something like 80% of Americans spoke out against that decision?

Isn't the Supreme Court support to follow the Constitution not the will of the people? And wasn't the polling done on that decision done after the decision was made not before or during like health care reform?

 

[christiefan915]

Isn't the Supreme Court support to follow the Constitution not the will of the people? And wasn't the polling done on that decision done after the decision was made not before or during like health care reform?

The ruling struck down parts of McCain-Feingold, wasn't M-F the will of the people?

As far as your second question, I read the papers and follow politics pretty closely-- not on the expert level, but close, and don't remember anything about this case either in the papers or on various forums until it was a done deal. Maybe it's because the case started during the 2008 campaign season and got lost in the background of all the other issues around Hillary and Obama, I don't know, but wonder how many people were aware of it over the years. Apparently it wasn't a hot-button topic that gets closely followed, like 2nd amendment cases, for example.

But to wind this up, how does the time line of polling apply? One February poll showed 80% opposition to the ruling, and this included 76% who called themselves conservative Republicans.

 

[cawacko]

The ruling struck down parts of McCain-Feingold, wasn't M-F the will of the people?

As far as your second question, I read the papers and follow politics pretty closely-- not on the expert level, but close, and don't remember anything about this case either in the papers or on various forums until it was a done deal. Maybe it's because the case started during the 2008 campaign season and got lost in the background of all the other issues around Hillary and Obama, I don't know, but wonder how many people were aware of it over the years. Apparently it wasn't a hot-button topic that gets closely followed, like 2nd amendment cases, for example.

But to wind this up, how does the time line of polling apply? One February poll showed 80% opposition to the ruling, and this included 76% who called themselves conservative Republicans.

Bush claimed M-F was unconstitutional when he signed it (yeah that makes a lot of sense Bush) and left it up to the courts. The courts ruling should be based on the constitutionality of it, not whether it's popular with the people or not.

I bring up timing because it we are arguing that Congress and the Supreme Court are suppose to judge or make laws by the will of the people then the will of the people should be known ahead of time right? The health care issue has been polled extensively before and during all the way up to yesterday.

I didn't see that for the Supreme Court case unless your argument is because it is somehow related to M-F and that was popular at time then the Court should know how the people stand and thus not rule any of it unconstitutional.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

This vote speaks volumes for repubs. Not one person broke ranks to vote for the public good. Not one repub looked at the bill and thought he could support most of it, if not all. This doesn't make them stand-up legislators, IMO, just a bunch of toadies marching in lockstep and afraid to defy their party bosses.

Yea I can't wait to throw that out the next time i hear that racist "Messiah" crack about Obama and his supporters.

The Republicans are playing a dangerous political game. In the short term, their fear tactics will give them some gains but that was to be expected anyways in a midterm election. The fact that they stood as a monolithic block to this legislation is further aggravating those with a case of incumbant fever. So it appears they are over playing their hand for short term gains.

But the long term conserquences if they are as wrong about health care reform, as they were on Iraq, are staggering. Their opposition to UHC is breath taking in the stagering scope of it's short sightedness.

As these reforms take root and expand and change our ungodly expensive and poorly performing health care system it will become tremendously popular. Another golden rail of politics and the voting public will be all to aware of who wants to dismantle this for who's advantage.

With one whole year for Democrats to go out and sell this legislation and it's benefits I think Republicans are in for a serious wake up call.

I'm just saddened that a public option was not a part of the package. There's no way we can have true reform with out a public option but this too will come in due time. It is inevitable.

 

[cawacko]

Yea I can't wait to throw that out the next time i hear that racist "Messiah" crack about Obama and his supporters.

The Republicans a playing a dangerous political game. In the short term, their fear tactics will give them some gains but that was to be expected anyways in a midterm election. The fact that they stood as a monolithic block to this legislation is further aggravating those with a case of incumbant fever. So it appears they are over playing their had for short term gains.

But the long term conserquences if they are as wrong about health care reform as they were on Iraq are staggering. Their opposition to UHC is breath taking is the stagering scope of it's short sightedness.

As these reforms take root and expand and change our ungodly expensive and poorly performing health care system it will become tremendously popular. Another golden rail of politics and the voting public will be all to aware of who wants to dismantle for who's advantage.

Particularly those who oppose it now who will eventually come to realize that this is in their best interest.

With one whole year for Democrats to go out and sell this legislation and it's benefits I think Republicans are in for a serious wake up call.

I'm just saddened that a public option was not a part of the package. There's no way we can have true reform with out a public option but this too will come in due time. It is inevitable.

If Obama could barely sell it to the public over the past year what makes you think in this following year he's going to be able to sell it now?