Ex-IRA commander Martin McGuinness WILL be a guest of the Queen at Windsor Castle

Taft2016 said:
I fail to see the relevance of visiting the locations.

I've been to Gettysburg, Bataan, Corregidor, Tianneman Square, Normandy, Dresden... lots of places around the world. Putting one's foot down on a piece of ground does not substitute for putting one's eyes on actual historical accounts. Particularly when one refuses to acknowledge contradictory evidence.

Also, of what relevance is the amount of money the British spent to uncover their own lies? Are you saying the truth has a price that may not be worth pursuing? That sir, is very poor history.
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My point, which is plainly obvious, is that the British government spent hundreds of millions trying to placate Nationalists yet former IRA commanders have refused to say anything. Where are all the bodies that have been buried all over Ireland by the IRA? IF this had been the US they would have been executed by now. You know that very well which is why you keep avoiding that fact.
 
Taft2016 said:
So where do we stand now? Are you acknowledging Britain's initial account of Bloody Sunday was a lie?

What about the Guildford Four? Another lie?

What about the McGurk's Pub bombing? Another lie?

The real history is that the Catholics initially welcomed the British troops, hoping they would restore order. Unfortunately, the Brits arrived help and arm the loyalist paramilitary groups.

It's also true the initial IRA bombings came with warnings to intermediaries to avoid innocent casualties. A practice which lost importance when the loyalist terrorists began bombing indiscriminately.
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What is your excuse for the Omagh bombing? No warming, 29 people killed including a pregnant woman and several Catholics.

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And my point, which is quite obvious, is that the British haven't the balls to do in Baghdad what they freely did in Belfast. If terroristic acts deserve terroristic retaliation, surely it would be justified in Baghdad.

You disagree?
 
Taft2016 said:
What's your excuse for Bloody Sunday?

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Bloody Sunday was a mistake and a cockup, the IRA atrocities were deliberately planned and executed. Can you show me any instance where the British came anywhere near to the brutality of the ATF at Waco or the US army in Fallujah? I am firmly convinced that the IRA, under instructions from Martin McGuinness, initiated Bloody Sunday by throwing nail bombs and firing machine guns at the soldiers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ness-WAS-armed-machine-gun-Bloody-Sunday.html
 
So you're outraged at white phosphorous being used against combatants, but not British military driveby shootings in Belfast at random people?

Abu Gharib was an absolute tropical resort compared to Long Kesh..... so, your efforts to divert the discussion to the USA is noted as an act of desperation.
 
Taft2016 said:
So you're outraged at white phosphorous being used against non-combatants, but not British military driveby shootings in Belfast at random people?

Abu Gharib was an absolute tropical resort compared to Long Kesh..... so, your efforts to divert the discussion to the USA is noted as an act of desperation.
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Do you what really makes me laugh? That 3500 people died over two decades or about the same number that were killed in New York in a single year in the 70s. Holy fuck, you are really on unstable ground now, whilst the Troubles were going on the US was carpet bombing Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam and killing millions in the process. :palm:
 
Taft2016 said:
Yet the British lied about it for decades. Nobody has been punished to this date for the "cockup."

To the contrary, the leaders have been decorated by the Queen.
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You are right nobody has been punished instead they have sent the IRA commander to see the Queen.
 
Taft2016 said:
Probably can't be found because of the millions of famine casualties I expect.

Thanks for all your help during that time, btw.
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Did I tell you that my parents were born in Ireland because I'm convinced that I did!! My mother is from Tipperary and my dad was from Mayo. I was born in England. I was raised with tales of the Black and Tans, the potato famine and the rebel songs. You, by contrast, are trying to equate the British Army in Northern Ireland with the Redcoats and George III. Like so many Americans, they fill your heads with a load of romantic crap at school and it stays with you.
 
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Taft2016 said:
Probably can't be found because of the millions of famine casualties I expect.

Thanks for all your help during that time, btw.
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Just so you know, Taffy, Tom is Irish, born in County Tipperary. It was the British fucks who exacerbated the Famine.
 
Abraxas said:
Blair spent over £200 million on the Bloody Sunday inquiry and many lawyers got fat on the proceeds. If I was a Protestant living in Northern Ireland in the 70s I wouldn't want to unify with the South either. It was a backwards country run by parish pump politicians and paedophile priests, unlike you I saw that at first hand. It had no industry and was mostly a dirt poor agrarian economy. Ironically one of the reasons it was lifted out of poverty was from the EU contributions of Germany and the UK. That American bastard de Valera even signed the commiserations book at the German Embassy when Hitler died, although he had the right idea later when he locked the IRA up.

One thing I do know for sure, if that happened in the US you would have had SWAT teams on every street corner and waterboarded all and sundry before packing them all off to Gitmo without trial. You only have to look at the Waco siege or the deliberate bombing of a block in Philadelphia in 1985 to see how the US treats people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-05-11-philadelphia-bombing_x.htm
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This pointing fingers at each other, accomplishes nothing; because something also could be said in reference to British Troops firing into crowds of protesters in India.
 
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