Even Chris Matthews takes a swing at Obama the Weak

evince said:
what the hell happened to you bac?

I would dump Obama the second he started defending the crap you have begun to defend.

Its the country not the man.

Your have begun to take the side of the very people who want to drown this country in the bath tub
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Perhaps you never noticed good sister, but the issues that I care about most are those that concern human life. That's the only side I have ever been on. I don't give a damn about democrats or republicans .. I care about issues.

Maybe you missed it but I have never supported Obama .. unlike most, I researched him before I would vote for him .. and the research told me that Obama is a fraud. He'll tell you anything you want to hear .. but he doesn't mean a word of it. He's a corporatist .. and you'd have to be blind not to see it.

You gave Obama a pass on everything .. NDAA .. but you had lots to say about Bush and the Patriot Act.

Double-tap drone strikes that are murdering lots of innocent people and children .. Yet, the Bush foreign policy was so evil .. when Bush was doing it. Now that Obama is doing it .. on steroids, you've got nothing to say .. and anybody who dare critique it must be a racist.

I could go on and on.

Yet you ask what happened to me.

I'm still against all of the nasty shit I was against when Bush was in office .. but you .. seems that you've come to love/accept blown up children .. and suddenly the attack on Iraq was not such a bad idea .. which must be the case given that Obama did the same thing in Libya .. false evidence and all.

Like most Obama supporters, its politics over principle for you .. for me, my principles guide my politics .. not the other way around.
 
I Love America said:
Keep your head in the sand. As BAC has so brilliantly pointed out, 2014 is about to be a huge surprise for many lefties.
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Is that what you said about 2012?

Also, I'm sure you've heard that the majority of groups applying for the (c)(4) were conservative...right? Because they care so much about the public good.
 
I Love America said:
So you don't think it is a problem that the consulate was overrun and our Ambassador was killed? Nice
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Was it a problem under the Republican Presidents? I'm sure some smart liberal has posted how many embassy personnel we have lost over the years, right?

Nice rebel flag BTW. That pretty much sums you up, huh?
 
Don Quixote said:
would you have preferred mittens?

as for giving Obama a pass, have you seen pictures of him before he ran for the senate and compared them with how he looks now?

and how do you expect him to lead through the walls that the repugs have erected in the house and senate

the word compromise is not in the repug lexicon

so where is the room to lead, he has done what he can with regard to appointments and executive orders, but even here the repugs block him when they can

the only thing he can hope for is a friendly off year election in 2014 where he may pick up enough seats to reestablish control of congress or at least the senate

how would you suggest that he lead the nation?

he is already hitting the campaign trail to tout his agenda

it is not that i give him a pass, but i do not see how he can do more than he is doing

as for him never having been a leader before, he has experience leading a team trying to better Chicago streets and solving various urban problems

oh and while he is at it, he has been trying to clean up the mess handed to him when he took office

as for blaming the repugs being 'just partisanship', while i am not in love with the dim agenda, i prefer it head and shoulders above the repug agenda, but i do not give either side a complete zero for some things in their agenda

as a final statement, Robert A Heinlein's comment on voting is quite correct, 'whenever you have the chance to vote do so, there may be no one or nothing that you want to vote for, but there is almost always someone or something that you want to vote against'

since i live in a 'blue' state and district, it does not matter a whole lot who i vote 'for' so i find myself voting more and more for independents and against most propositions

bummer
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I do not understand how you equate one who voted for Obama saying they are disappointed with his lack of leadership and think it is hurting his ability to accomplish his agenda with wanting to vote for Romney instead.

Leadership involves how you handle your administration. That has nothing to do with Republicans in Congress. How Obama responded to Bengahzi and the IRS reports are about him and his administration, not Republicans in Congress. Republicans cannot determine how Obama chooses to respond. I'm really hungover or I'd write more. It hurts too much right now.
 
Sierra said:
Is that what you said about 2012?

Also, I'm sure you've heard that the majority of groups applying for the (c)(4) were conservative...right? Because they care so much about the public good.
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I made no prediction about the GOP taking the Senate. I did predict that Romney would win, and I was colossally wrong about that. I also predicted that the House would stay in GOP hands. By all means, continue to think that the IRS scandal will not have legs heading into 2014. I am sure you would be saying the same thing if it were a Republican President ;)

As for whether or not they cared about the public good is irrelevant to me and only a blind partisan would think that was the intent of the IRS. If you can show me similar scrutiny the IRS paid to other (c)(4) groups, then I will consider your argument. If you cannot, then I will throw them in the dustbin of partisan hackery.
 
Sierra said:
Was it a problem under the Republican Presidents? I'm sure some smart liberal has posted how many embassy personnel we have lost over the years, right?

Nice rebel flag BTW. That pretty much sums you up, huh?
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So how many US Ambassadors were killed after making requests for beefed up security? How many embassies were overrun under Republican Presidents? How many Presidents blamed said attacks on YouTube videos with 200 views?
 
cawacko said:
I do not understand how you equate one who voted for Obama saying they are disappointed with his lack of leadership and think it is hurting his ability to accomplish his agenda with wanting to vote for Romney instead.

Leadership involves how you handle your administration. That has nothing to do with Republicans in Congress. How Obama responded to Bengahzi and the IRS reports are about him and his administration, not Republicans in Congress. Republicans cannot determine how Obama chooses to respond. I'm really hungover or I'd write more. It hurts too much right now.
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obama's biggest problem is that he lives in his head with very little heart when it comes to politics and he does not use his charisma effectively enough
 
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