EV sales PLUMMET, EV Inventory piles up on Dealer Lots, in U.S., Germany & China

[Bigdog]

How did you come to the conclusion that the average EV emits 39 tons?
https://www.greenncap.com/european-lca-results/#tesla-model-3-2022-0099
Tesla model 3- 28
Fiat 500e - 29
Nissan Leaf - 34
Lexus UX 300e - 35
VW ID.3 - 32
Hyundai Kona - 31
Ford Mustang Mach E - 42
Rernault Zoe - 32

The only hoax I am seeing is your idiotic claim.

Thanks for admitting that they are NOT green at all. EVs emit huge amounts of carbon.




E.V.s Start With a Bigger Carbon Footprint. But That Doesn ...

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/business/electric-vehicles-carbon-footprint-batteries.html
ev "39 tons" from www.nytimes.com
Nov 7, 2022 — A battery electric vehicle would emit 39 tons over that same distance. And within 19,000 miles, the higher emissions caused by battery ...



EV's Carbon Footprint Will Decrease over Time, Report Says

Autoweek
https://www.autoweek.com › News › Green Cars
ev "39 tons" from www.autoweek.com
Oct 26, 2022 — ... hybrid and battery electric vehicles account for 47 tons and 39 tons over the same mileage, respectively. Advertisement - Continue Reading ...

Understanding the Implications of EPA Emissions Limits ...

Bell Performance
https://www.bellperformance.com › bell-performs-blog
ev "39 tons" from www.bellperformance.com
Jun 8, 2023 — ... EV is initially higher than that of a gasoline car (39 tons of carbon dioxide compared to 17 tons), EVs gradually close the gap as they are ...

How Good for the Planet Is Your Tesla? That Depends ...

Barron's
https://www.barrons.com › articles › tesla-stock-price-...
ev "39 tons" from www.barrons.com
Oct 4, 2022 — But for an EV, The Fuels Institute finds that, in the U.S., the average EV generates about 39 tons of greenhouse gases over its life. That's ...

EVs start with a bigger carbon footprint. But that doesn't last

Deccan Herald
https://www.deccanherald.com › Opinion
Oct 23, 2022 — A battery electric vehicle would emit 39 tons over that same distance. And within 19,000 miles, the higher emissions caused by battery ...

 

[Joe Capitalist]

How did you come to the conclusion that the average EV emits 39 tons?
https://www.greenncap.com/european-lca-results/#tesla-model-3-2022-0099
Tesla model 3- 28
Fiat 500e - 29
Nissan Leaf - 34
Lexus UX 300e - 35
VW ID.3 - 32
Hyundai Kona - 31
Ford Mustang Mach E - 42
Rernault Zoe - 32

The only hoax I am seeing is your idiotic claim.

Bigdog and the other MAGA morons have to lie and deceive to make their points on EVs.
Very telling. And the EV sales just keep on going up, up, and up.
Funny how butthurt this makes them.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Bigdog and the other MAGA morons have to lie and deceive to make their points on EVs.
Very telling. And the EV sales just keep on going up, up, and up.
Funny how butthurt this makes them.

I have never argued about EV's and their emissions of CO2 as that issue is completely irrelevant to me. I could care less about how much CO2 an EV or ICE vehicle produces because it is irrelevant to everything else.

Does that make you butthurt that I don't buy into anthropogenic Gorebal warming as espoused by the radical Left? That I find the whole "manmade CO2 is going to destroy the planet" bullshit? For me, that is an irrelevant argument for EV's and their adoption.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Thanks for admitting that they are NOT green at all. EVs emit huge amounts of carbon.




E.V.s Start With a Bigger Carbon Footprint. But That Doesn ...

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/business/electric-vehicles-carbon-footprint-batteries.html
ev "39 tons" from www.nytimes.com
Nov 7, 2022 — A battery electric vehicle would emit 39 tons over that same distance. And within 19,000 miles, the higher emissions caused by battery ...



EV's Carbon Footprint Will Decrease over Time, Report Says

Autoweek
https://www.autoweek.com › News › Green Cars
ev "39 tons" from www.autoweek.com
Oct 26, 2022 — ... hybrid and battery electric vehicles account for 47 tons and 39 tons over the same mileage, respectively. Advertisement - Continue Reading ...

Understanding the Implications of EPA Emissions Limits ...

Bell Performance
https://www.bellperformance.com › bell-performs-blog
ev "39 tons" from www.bellperformance.com
Jun 8, 2023 — ... EV is initially higher than that of a gasoline car (39 tons of carbon dioxide compared to 17 tons), EVs gradually close the gap as they are ...

How Good for the Planet Is Your Tesla? That Depends ...

Barron's
https://www.barrons.com › articles › tesla-stock-price-...
ev "39 tons" from www.barrons.com
Oct 4, 2022 — But for an EV, The Fuels Institute finds that, in the U.S., the average EV generates about 39 tons of greenhouse gases over its life. That's ...

EVs start with a bigger carbon footprint. But that doesn't last

Deccan Herald
https://www.deccanherald.com › Opinion
Oct 23, 2022 — A battery electric vehicle would emit 39 tons over that same distance. And within 19,000 miles, the higher emissions caused by battery ...

It seems you didn't bother to read your own sources which point out the lies you told.

From the NYTimes story.
In 200,000 miles of driving, a typical internal combustion vehicle would emit 66 tons of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States. A battery electric vehicle would emit 39 tons over that same distance.

From the Autoweek story using the same study
Painting a broader picture, the study also shows that a typical ICE vehicle will emit 66 tons of greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) over the course of 200,000 miles, while hybrid and battery electric vehicles account for 47 tons and 39 tons over the same mileage, respectively.

The Skoda Octavia appears to produce about 56 tons of CO2 over 200,000 miles and you ignore the SO2 and other gases produced by a diesel engine.
https://www.greenncap.com/wp-conten...AP_Skoda Octavia-2021-0049_LCA fact sheet.pdf
42 tons of CO2 in 150,000 miles.

 

[serendipity]

BYD appears to be gaining over all other EV manufacturers including Tesla. Here in Thailand there are BYD dealers springing up in all the big cities, sadly yet another industry is being sold out to the Chinese as I predicted some time back.

 

[Hawkeye10]

BYD appears to be gaining over all other EV manufacturers manufacturers including Tesla.

In part because the Chinese are increasingly only interested in Chinese products and services, and because the Russians are buying tons of Chinese cars as they give up on the West which hates them with a passion.

 

[Lionfish]

Elon Musk Hits a Speed Bump: Tesla Suffers First Quarter-On-Quarter Sales Decline in Yearshttp://https://www.breitbart.com/te...ales-sparks-investor-concern-and-speculation/http://https://www.breitbart.com/te...ales-sparks-investor-concern-and-speculation/http://https://www.breitbart.com/te...ales-sparks-investor-concern-and-speculation/

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023...ales-sparks-investor-concern-and-speculation/

 

[Into the Night]

Bigdog and the other MAGA morons have to lie and deceive to make their points on EVs.
Very telling. And the EV sales just keep on going up, up, and up.
Funny how butthurt this makes them.

Nope. They aren't. The lying and deceiving is from YOU.

 

[Into the Night]

It seems you didn't bother to read your own sources which point out the lies you told.

From the NYTimes story.
In 200,000 miles of driving, a typical internal combustion vehicle would emit 66 tons of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States. A battery electric vehicle would emit 39 tons over that same distance.

From the Autoweek story using the same study
Painting a broader picture, the study also shows that a typical ICE vehicle will emit 66 tons of greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) over the course of 200,000 miles, while hybrid and battery electric vehicles account for 47 tons and 39 tons over the same mileage, respectively.

The Skoda Octavia appears to produce about 56 tons of CO2 over 200,000 miles and you ignore the SO2 and other gases produced by a diesel engine.
https://www.greenncap.com/wp-conten...AP_Skoda Octavia-2021-0049_LCA fact sheet.pdf
42 tons of CO2 in 150,000 miles.

Wups. You are forgetting the cost of charging the damn car again.

 

[serendipity]

Wups. You are forgetting the cost of charging the damn car again.

He is also ignoring the cost of manufacture as well.

https://8billiontrees.com/carbon-offsets-credits/carbon-footprint-of-electric-cars-vs-gasoline/

 

[Bigdog]

It seems you didn't bother to read your own sources which point out the lies you told.

From the NYTimes story.

Good, you agree on the 39 tons, now.

Both the NYT and Greenncap are leftwing biased and support white libs' Green marketing hoax and gov't corporate welfare.


"Despite emissions from battery production, EVs emit on average less greenhouse gas (GHG) than ICE models. From all the cars tested, the Fiat 500e represents the smallest carbon footprint (31 tons of CO2), while the first ICE car comes in at sixth place with 41 tons: the diesel engined Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDI. "

https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-...e-evs?t[0]=Electrification; CO2 target&curl=1

The china virus caused the whole Global economy to shut down. Atmospheric CO2 growth continued as normal. The global shutdown had zero impact on it.

 

[Matt Dillon]

"Electric car sales plummet in Germany following subsidy cut"

https://thedriven.io/2023/02/07/electric-car-sales-plummet-in-germany-following-subsidy-cut/

A lack of customers; it appears the EV market may have reached its saturation point already.


"Unsold EVs Are Piling Up on Dealer Lots, But There's a ...

autoevolution
https://www.autoevolution.com › News › Coverstory
Jul 10, 2023 — Ford's second-quarter sales results were presented last week as a triumph, with the tagline "Ford EV sales gain momentum." Ford's data shows ...


More car dealers holding off buying electric used cars as ...

Car Dealer Magazine
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk › Home › News
Mar 28, 2023 — An increasing number of car dealers are holding off buying used electric cars as prices continue to plummet. The values of used electric ...


Why EVs Are 'Piling Up' at Dealerships, Despite Massive ...

Foundation for Economic Education
https://fee.org › articles › why-evs-are-piling-up-at-de...
Sep 20, 2023 — About 92000 EVs currently sit on dealers' lots; that's a 342% increase from a year ago, when only about 21000 did so, according to ...


Electric vehicles aren't exactly selling like hotcakes. In fact, they're languishing at dealerships twice as long as gasoline-powered cars, analysts at Cox Automotive found.Aug 2, 2023

Are EV sales really slowing down? - POLITICO

Politico
https://www.politico.com › power-switch › 2023/08/02


China's new EV subsidies might not be enough to bolster ...

CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com › 2023/06/22 › chinas-new-ev-su...
Jun 22, 2023 — China's new EV subsidies might not be enough to bolster slowing growth ... China's retail sales grew more slowly than expected in May from a year ...

Tesla's China-made EV sales in July down 31% mth/mth

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com › business › autos-transportation
Aug 3, 2023 — U.S. automaker Tesla sold 64285 China-made electric vehicles (EVs) in July, down 31% from a month earlier, data from the China Passenger Car ...


Women are more skeptical of electric cars than men

Autoblog
https://www.autoblog.com › Partner
ev sales plummet women lack from www.autoblog.com
Apr 26, 2023 — Men make up most early adopters of electric cars, while women account for most EV skeptics. · Higher-income consumers are more likely to adopt or ..."

EVs are fail. Next!

 

[Into the Night]

EVs are fail. Next!

They never even succeeded. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

There's a reason.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Wups. You are forgetting the cost of charging the damn car again.

Wups, if you include the cost of printing the money used to pay for charging your car, it produces less CO2 then the cost of printing the money to buy gas for your car.

We are discussing CO2 and this is CO2 production from the mining of raw materials through manufacture, through driving the car for 200,000 miles and then disposal after it's life is over.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Good, you agree on the 39 tons, now.

Both the NYT and Greenncap are leftwing biased and support white libs' Green marketing hoax and gov't corporate welfare.


"Despite emissions from battery production, EVs emit on average less greenhouse gas (GHG) than ICE models. From all the cars tested, the Fiat 500e represents the smallest carbon footprint (31 tons of CO2), while the first ICE car comes in at sixth place with 41 tons: the diesel engined Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDI. "

https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-...e-evs?t[0]=Electrification; CO2 target&curl=1

The china virus caused the whole Global economy to shut down. Atmospheric CO2 growth continued as normal. The global shutdown had zero impact on it.

An average EV driven 200,000 miles from mining to disposal produces 39 tons of CO2
An Octavia driven 150,000 miles from mining to disposal produces 42 tons of CO2.

Is the Octavia so bad that it can't drive the extra 50,000 miles that an average EV can? How do you get around for that other 50,000 miles without producing CO2?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

They never even succeeded. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

There's a reason.

In 1907, less than 1% of the transportation was by an ICE vehicle and we see how they never succeeded.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

In 1907, less than 1% of the transportation was by an ICE vehicle and we see how they never succeeded.

ItN is getting all butthurt again.

May 5, 2023

Total vehicle sales in 2022 reached 73.8 million, with electric cars accounting for 14.2% of those sales. Only one out of 70 cars sold in 2017 were electric. Today, one in every 7 cars sold is an electric vehicle. At this pace, electric cars will make up 18% of car sales worldwide in 2023.

 

[Into the Night]

Wups, if you include the cost of printing the money used to pay for charging your car, it produces less CO2 then the cost of printing the money to buy gas for your car.

I don't print money to refuel my car.

We are discussing CO2 and this is CO2 production from the mining of raw materials through manufacture, through driving the car for 200,000 miles and then disposal after it's life is over.

CO2 is not a pollutant. It is a naturally occurring gas in the atmosphere absolutely essential for life on Earth. Try again.

 

[Into the Night]

An average EV driven 200,000 miles from mining to disposal produces 39 tons of CO2
An Octavia driven 150,000 miles from mining to disposal produces 42 tons of CO2.

Is the Octavia so bad that it can't drive the extra 50,000 miles that an average EV can? How do you get around for that other 50,000 miles without producing CO2?

Making numbers doesn't work, dude.
CO2 is not a pollutant.

 

[Into the Night]

In 1907, less than 1% of the transportation was by an ICE vehicle and we see how they never succeeded.

This is 2023, dumbass. Apparently you never bothered to buy a calendar? Oh...and ICE vehicles did succeed. Over 99% of the cars on the road are ICE vehicles. Aircraft and ships are ICE vehicles. Other than commuter rail or special applications, railroad locomotives on US railroads are ICE vehicles. Most special applications for railroads use ECE vehicles.

Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.