EV sales are booming and there are a plethora of new, affordable models.

[Lionfish]

Joey wets panties

 

[Joe Capitalist]

If you're comparing an electric car and a gas car with the same horsepower rating, the electric car is able to use a lot more of its horsepower, too. That's because EVs have fewer moving parts, so they're able to run more efficiently. (Efficiency isn't based strictly in terms of fuel consumption; the vehicle's speed and agility are affected, too.)

This also makes electric cars cheaper to run over time by reducing engine maintenance costs.

The instant torque and the simplified powertrain are the two factors that enable an electric vehicle to take off from a stop much faster than a gas vehicle of comparable power specs. That's how Tesla and other electric supercars achieve zero to 60 times of just two or three seconds.

When Motor Trend road-tested the Tesla Model S P100D in 2017, the magazine had never seen a zero to 60 run in less than 2.3 seconds. But the Tesla came in at 2.275 seconds, which at the time made it the quickest stock production vehicle ever.

Why do MAGA morons get so butthurt over the domination of EVs over gas cars?

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Electric Cars vs Gas Cars Differences

Perhaps the most significant difference between electric vehicles and gas-powered vehicles is that they produce zero emissions.

Unlike gas-powered cars, electric cars do not release any emissions, making them more environmentally friendly than their counterparts.

Vehicles that run on gasoline produce harmful pollutants, such as carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxide, which contribute to climate change and respiratory problems.

Electric cars don't have this issue, they can even help improve air quality in cities.

Electric cars are also more efficient than gas-powered vehicles. Gas-powered engines are designed for efficiency, while electric motors provide 100% torque from the get-go, allowing for faster acceleration and better mileage.

Gas cars cost more to maintain than electric cars. Electric vehicles have fewer parts, and since they aren't pushing pistons up and down all the time, that means less wear-and-tear! There is no need for an oil change or tune-ups; there is also more consistent power with electric cars because they don't have an engine that has to "rev up;" they have a more consistent power output.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I notice it's being towed too! This vehicle is moving and it's not even using any fuel or battery!

That's the Top Gear infamous Hammerhead Eagle I Thrust...

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Myth: The increase in electric vehicles entering the market will collapse the U.S. power grid.

FACT: Electric vehicles have charging strategies that can prevent overloading the grid, and, in some cases, support grid reliability.
It is true that the increasing number of electric vehicles (EVs) on the road will lead to increased electricity demand. Yet, how that impacts the grid will depend on several factors, such as the power level and time of day when vehicles are charged, and the potential for vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging 3 among others.

EVs can be charged at off-peak times, such as overnight, when rates are often cheaper. Even with a mix of charging times (so not all nighttime charging), research indicates that sufficient capacity will exist to cover EVs entering the market in the coming years.4 And further down the road, when renewables make up a larger part of our energy mix in many regions, switching to more daytime charging (when some renewables like solar generate energy) with some energy storage capability should allow the grid to handle increases in EV charging.5 California leads the country with more than 1 million electric vehicles and EV charging currently makes up less than 1% of the state’s grid total load, even during peak hours.6
Vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging allows EVs to act as a power source that may help with grid reliability by pushing energy back to the grid from an EV battery. This is done by allowing EVs to charge when electricity demand is low and drawing on them when that demand is high

I just finished an install of a home Tesla charging station today. The unit pulls 65 amps at 240 VAC on full load to a charge. That's in round numbers 15 kw of power or about 3 to 5 times what the average home uses on the rest of stuff in it. It also--according to the car's computer--takes about 4 to 5 hours to fully charge the vehicle at that rate. The grid isn't going to handle say, even, 50% of car owners charging their vehicle at the same time. It will cause serious problems.

Most neighborhood electrical systems won't take the extra load resulting in failures of cabling, transformers, and ancillary equipment at the local level.

 

[Into the Night]

B]SIZE=2]If you're comparing an electric car and a gas car with the same horsepower rating, the electric car is able to use a lot more of its horsepower, too. That's because EVs have fewer moving parts, so they're able to run more efficiently. (Efficiency isn't based strictly in terms of fuel consumption; the vehicle's speed and agility are affected, too.)

EVs use almost twice the energy of a gasoline car to go the same distance. You are AGAIN ignoring the wasted energy to generate power remotely and transmit it to your charger, AND the wasted heat in the battery during both charge and discharge. You can't just ignore these heat losses. It is far more efficient to just burn the gasoline in the car in the first place. RAAA.

This also makes electric cars cheaper to run over time by reducing engine maintenance costs.

EVs are more expensive to maintain. I've already described why. RAAA.

The instant torque and the simplified powertrain are the two factors that enable an electric vehicle to take off from a stop much faster than a gas vehicle of comparable power specs. That's how Tesla and other electric supercars achieve zero to 60 times of just two or three seconds.

It's not a drag race. EVs suck at maneuverability.

When Motor Trend road-tested the Tesla Model S P100D in 2017, the magazine had never seen a zero to 60 run in less than 2.3 seconds. But the Tesla came in at 2.275 seconds, which at the time made it the quickest stock production vehicle ever. [/SIZE][/B]

It is not. Blatant lie. It is not a drag race.

Why do MAGA morons get so butthurt over the domination of EVs over gas cars?

MAGA isn't a person.
The only one butthurt is YOU.
EVs have no domination over gasoline cars. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

Gasoline cars are cheaper, more efficient, easier to maintain and fix, lighter, and more maneuverable. They can easily tow significant loads with no problem. They have an effective range of infinite, requiring only a few minutes to refuel. They can go way the hell off the beaten track and off road.

 

[Into the Night]

B]SIZE=4]Electric Cars vs Gas Cars Differences[/SIZE][/B]
B]SIZE=2]
Perhaps the most significant difference between electric vehicles and gas-powered vehicles is that they produce zero emissions.

Blatant lie. Just because the emissions are remotely located doesn't mean they don't produce them.

Unlike gas-powered cars, electric cars do not release any emissions, making them more environmentally friendly than their counterparts.

Blatant lie. Buzzword fallacy. Define 'environmentally friendly'. Do you consider open pit mines 'environmentally friendly'? Do you consider burning coal or natural gas at a power plant to charge your car 'environmentally friendly'? Do you consider blighting the landscape with piddle power wind generators 'environmentally friendly'?

Vehicles that run on gasoline produce harmful pollutants,

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Water is not a pollutant.

such as carbon monoxide

They don't, unless the burn is inefficient (the engine needs to be fixed).

and nitrogen oxide,

EVs also produce nitrogen oxide.

which contribute to climate change

Climate cannot change.

and respiratory problems.

Made up shit. People have no trouble breathing (unless they are smoking or something!).

Electric cars don't have this issue, they can even help improve air quality in cities.

They don't. EVs produce ground level ozone, nitrogen oxides, particulates, carbon dioxide, AND require heavy government subsidies to be viable at all.

B]SIZE=2]Electric cars are also more efficient than gas-powered vehicles.

Blatant lie. EVs use almost twice the energy of a gasoline car to travel the same distance.

Gas-powered engines are designed for efficiency,

That they are. Some are approaching 50%. FAR better than any EV.

while electric motors provide 100% torque from the get-go,

Torque is not efficiency. Redefinition fallacy. It's not a drag race.

allowing for faster acceleration and better mileage.[/SIZE][/B]

It's not a drag race. Their mileage between charges suck, giving them limited range. Gasoline cars have an effective range of infinite since it only requires a few minutes to refuel them.

B]Gas cars cost more to maintain than electric cars.

Blatant lie. EVs cost two or three times what a gasoline car costs...and THAT's with the heavy government subsidies for the EV!

Electric vehicles have fewer parts, and since they aren't pushing pistons up and down all the time, that means less wear-and-tear!

I have yet to replace a piston because it wore out on any car.

There is no need for an oil change

10 minute job once every year or so. Poor baby...can't handle that!

or tune-ups;

Gasoline cars have no 'tune ups' anymore.

/COLOR] there is also more consistent power with electric cars because they don't have an engine that has to "rev up;" they have a more consistent power output.[/SIZE[/B

Cruising down the road is the same power output.

 

[Into the Night]

I just finished an install of a home Tesla charging station today. The unit pulls 65 amps at 240 VAC on full load to a charge. That's in round numbers 15 kw of power or about 3 to 5 times what the average home uses on the rest of stuff in it. It also--according to the car's computer--takes about 4 to 5 hours to fully charge the vehicle at that rate. The grid isn't going to handle say, even, 50% of car owners charging their vehicle at the same time. It will cause serious problems.

Most neighborhood electrical systems won't take the extra load resulting in failures of cabling, transformers, and ancillary equipment at the local level.

This also means the 100A service a lot of homes have is inadequate. They will have to hire the power company to provide a larger transformer (not cheap!).

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This also means the 100A service a lot of homes have is inadequate. They will have to hire the power company to provide a larger transformer (not cheap!).

You can install a Tesla charger for lower amperage. All the way down to 30 amps if you want. But the charging time will go up commensurately with that lower rate of charge. The stations (according to the manual) can handle anything from 30 to 100 ampere rates of charge (nominal by breaker size), with the actual charge rate being somewhere between 20 and 90 amps.

I'd say that homes using the upper end of the range should have a 300 amp panel--requiring an electrical engineer's stamp on the drawings in most jurisdictions--minimum to handle the load and potential future increases. That stamp will cost you anywhere from $1000 to $4000 bucks to get by the way...

 

[RB 60]

You can install a Tesla charger for lower amperage. All the way down to 30 amps if you want. But the charging time will go up commensurately with that lower rate of charge. The stations (according to the manual) can handle anything from 30 to 100 ampere rates of charge (nominal by breaker size), with the actual charge rate being somewhere between 20 and 90 amps.

I'd say that homes using the upper end of the range should have a 300 amp panel--requiring an electrical engineer's stamp on the drawings in most jurisdictions--minimum to handle the load and potential future increases. That stamp will cost you anywhere from $1000 to $4000 bucks to get by the way...

That's before parts and installation labor.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

To compare the climate-changing emissions from electric vehicles to gasoline-powered cars, we analyzed all the emissions from fueling and driving both types of vehicles. For a gasoline car, that means looking at emissions from extracting crude oil from the ground, moving the oil to a refinery, making gasoline and transporting gasoline to filling stations, in addition to the tailpipe emissions from combusting the fuel in the engine.

For electric vehicles, the calculation includes both power plant emissions and emissions from the production of coal, natural gas and other fuels power plants use. Our analysis relies on emissions estimates for gasoline and fuels production from Argonne National Laboratory (using the GREET2020 model) and power plant emissions data released by the US EPA. The data, released in February 2021, tallied the emissions from US power plants during 2019.

When looking at all these factors, driving the average EV is responsible for fewer global warming emissions than the average new gasoline car everywhere in the US. Driving the average new gasoline car will produce 4 to 8 times the emissions of the average EV.

 

[Lionfish]

In 2022, electric vehicle (EV) sales were on the rise but mostly remained popular for buyers with a large budget, with many consumers still finding them too expensive. Several of Tesla’s models were among the most popular EVs across the U.S., and Car and Driver reported it as the bestselling luxury auto brand.

Why 2023 is the year of the EV
Thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), many EV buyers will now qualify for all or part of a $7,500 EV tax credit when they go for a new EV. And Tesla and other carmakers have lowered their prices.*
So, as the numbers of EV models available skyrocket and the price of EVs naturally goes down, when the tax credit is considered, many more EVs will soon enter the mainstream, in what Tech Crunch called the “EV-plosion.”
What’re some of the most exciting upcoming electric vehicles?

The EV market is booming
and there are a lot of exciting upcoming models. Many higher-priced EVs don’t qualify for the IRA tax credit — they need to have an MSRP of less than $55,000 unless they’re trucks, vans, or SUVs (which can be eligible at prices up to $80,000). But the growth of the lower-cost EV is electrifying.
One exciting new prospect is the 2024 Chevrolet Equinox EV, which should be relatively affordable with a starting price close to $30,000. Once the $7,500 tax credit is factored in, it would come at a reasonable starting price of $22,500. This compact electric SUV will have an enormous range of 250 miles estimated between charges (or up to 300 miles with higher-priced options), so there is no need for any range anxiety.
The Fisker Ocean is a stylish SUV that its maker has released in Europe and just kicked off deliveries in the United States. The base model has an estimated range of 250 miles and a base purchase price of $37,499 — not too shabby.

MAGA soils diapers

Joey pisses pantalones

Why dealers say EV sales have slowed
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It's getting harder for dealers to sell EVs. That's a bad sign for the industry.
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More alarm bells sound on slowing demand for electric vehicles

 

[Joe Capitalist]

The global electric vehicle traction motors market is poised for significant growth, with a projected value of $137.85 billion by 2030. This lucrative expansion is anticipated to be driven by a remarkable compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 25.5% from 2023 to 2030. Notably, the volume of traction motors is also expected to experience substantial growth, reaching 412.29 million units by 2030, supported by a CAGR of 20.7% during the same period.

Key factors propelling the market's expansion include stringent emission regulations that are spurring the production and sales of hybrid and electric vehicles. Additionally, the escalating demand for high-performance motors and easier maintenance further contribute to the sector's promising outlook.

LyinBitch soils diapers

 

[Into the Night]

You can install a Tesla charger for lower amperage. All the way down to 30 amps if you want. But the charging time will go up commensurately with that lower rate of charge. The stations (according to the manual) can handle anything from 30 to 100 ampere rates of charge (nominal by breaker size), with the actual charge rate being somewhere between 20 and 90 amps.

I'd say that homes using the upper end of the range should have a 300 amp panel--requiring an electrical engineer's stamp on the drawings in most jurisdictions--minimum to handle the load and potential future increases. That stamp will cost you anywhere from $1000 to $4000 bucks to get by the way...

That's about the price of such a stamp here in Washington too.
There is also an additional inspection charge for such high current installations. Don't know if they have that in AZ. That's a county charge here.

 

[Into the Night]

That's before parts and installation labor.

That is correct. That is ONLY the engineer's investigation and approval.
Upgrading the service means a new power transformer on the pole (or on the pad), upgrading the service entrance, rebuilding the panel and power meter (causing all other circuitry to suddenly have to meet updated code!), and of course the wiring, charger mount, conduit, and the labor for it all.

At least it's not an inductive load.

 

[Into the Night]

B]SIZE=2]To compare the climate-changing emissions from electric vehicles to gasoline-powered cars, we analyzed all the emissions from fueling and driving both types of vehicles. For a gasoline car, that means looking at emissions from extracting crude oil from the ground, moving the oil to a refinery, making gasoline and transporting gasoline to filling stations, in addition to the tailpipe emissions from combusting the fuel in the engine.

For electric vehicles, the calculation includes both power plant emissions and emissions from the production of coal, natural gas and other fuels power plants use. Our analysis relies on emissions estimates for gasoline and fuels production from Argonne National Laboratory (using the GREET2020 model) and power plant emissions data released by the US EPA. The data, released in February 2021, tallied the emissions from US power plants during 2019.

When looking at all these factors, driving the average EV is responsible for fewer global warming emissions than the average new gasoline car everywhere in the US. Driving the average new gasoline car will produce 4 to 8 times the emissions of the average EV.[/SIZE][/B]

EVs still use oil, coal, and natural gas. Indeed, they waste energy, using about twice what a gasoline car would use.
EVs also emit ozone, nitrogen oxides, carbon dioxide, water, and particulates.

The EPA is lying again.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Electric vehicle sales hit 7.9% of US market as Volvo, Mercedes, and Hyundai post sizable gains

EV sales surged past 300,000 for the first time in the third quarter, a nearly 50% increase over last year. As automakers like Volvo, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, and Hyundai ramp production, Tesla’s market share is slipping.
The latest quarterly EV sales estimates from Cox Automotive dropped Thursday, showing a record 313,086 electric cars sold from July to September.

EV sales have now expanded for 13 straight quarters.

Electric vehicles accounted for 7.9% of total US auto sales in Q3, up from 6.1% a year ago and 7.2% in Q2.
EV sales surged 49.8% compared to last year, increasing 5% from the 298,039 sold in Q2. The data shows most automakers have picked up the pace significantly over the past year.

 

[Lionfish]

Apparently joey wet panties can't read.

 

[Into the Night]

Electric vehicle sales hit 7.9% of US market as Volvo, Mercedes, and Hyundai post sizable gains

EV sales surged past 300,000 for the first time in the third quarter, a nearly 50% increase over last year. As automakers like Volvo, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, and Hyundai ramp production, Tesla’s market share is slipping.
The latest quarterly EV sales estimates from Cox Automotive dropped Thursday, showing a record 313,086 electric cars sold from July to September.

EV sales have now expanded for 13 straight quarters.

Electric vehicles accounted for 7.9% of total US auto sales in Q3, up from 6.1% a year ago and 7.2% in Q2.
EV sales surged 49.8% compared to last year, increasing 5% from the 298,039 sold in Q2. The data shows most automakers have picked up the pace significantly over the past year.

...annnnnnnd back to this nonsense again. You AGAIN failed to mention sales figures for gasoline cars. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.