EU sees sabotage of Nord Stream, warns against attacks on 'active infrastructure'

Here is what a European expert thinks.

Anders Puck Nielsen, a researcher with the Centre for Maritime Operations at the Royal Danish Defence College, said the timing of the leaks was 'conspicuous' given that a new pipeline carrying gas from Norway to Poland was opened today.

'The arrow points in the direction of Russia,' he said. 'No one in the West is interested in having any kind of instability in the energy market.'

The extent of the damage means the Nord Stream pipelines are unlikely to carry any gas to Europe this winter even if there was political will to bring them online, analysts at the Eurasia Group said.

'Depending on the scale of the damage, the leaks could even mean a permanent closure of both lines,' Henning Gloystein and Jason Bush wrote.

They noted that undersea pipelines are designed so they can not be damaged accidentally and leaks are rare.

Mr Puck Nielsen said of possible sabotage that 'technically speaking, this is not difficult. It just requires a boat. It requires some divers that know how to handle explosive devices'.

'But I think if we look at who would actually benefit from disturbances, more chaos on the gas market in Europe, I think there's basically only one actor right now that actually benefits from more uncertainty, and that is Russia,' he added.
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ExpressLane said:
If they used a surface ship to get there then perhaps we will see them. But agree if Russia is the investigator Ukraine will get the blame no matter who did it.
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Now that we know it was in less than 100 feet of water, your surface ship theory is much more plausible.
 
moon said:
We're already seeing it as a propaganda rod to beat the Russians with.

I'm not sure if the Zelenskies had the means to mine the pipes- but I don't doubt for a moment that any NATO local would have done it on their behalf- after clearing it with the boss in Washington, of course.

The outcome, as I see it, is that the threat of EU countries succumbing to the Russian temptations of a renewed and cheap supply has been removed. They are being chained to the NATO insanity.
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Being that NATO is the EU countries, I don't see them doing this to themselves.

We do know that Biden hates fossil fuels and is an expert at shutting down pipelines. But this could have been independent eco fascists from the church of Al Gore. I'm sure the Left is secretly cheering its destruction.
 
Bigdog said:
Being that NATO is the EU countries, I don't see them doing this to themselves.

We do know that Biden hates fossil fuels and is an expert at shutting down pipelines. But this could have been independent eco fascists from the church of Al Gore. I'm sure the Left is secretly cheering its destruction.
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Do you think they would cause a huge methane leak into the atmosphere?
 
Bigdog said:
Being that NATO is the EU countries, I don't see them doing this to themselves.
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Do you think that the decision to mine the pipes was taken in consultation ?

We do know that Biden hates fossil fuels and is an expert at shutting down pipelines. But this could have been independent eco fascists from the church of Al Gore. I'm sure the Left is secretly cheering its destruction.
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Where do you think all that gas is going to end up ?
 
moon said:
Do you think that the decision to mine the pipes was taken in consultation ?



Where do you think all that gas is going to end up ?
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No, the "secret" would have leaked if too many people were asked about the idea.

My best guess is China. Tho China doesn't want to be Russia's bitch either. Russia has quite a few other global customers, too.
 
Bigdog said:
No, the "secret" would have leaked if too many people were asked about the idea.
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Yes.

My best guess is China. Tho China doesn't want to be Russia's bitch either. Russia has quite a few other global customers, too.
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Somebody must know which submarines were in those localities.
 
Bigdog said:
Valid point. But I think they'll make Europe pay for the repairs, if Europe really wants the pipelines working, again. The Russians shut NS1 down, making them both useless pieces of junk anyway.
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sure but better to make them pay for phoney repairs than real ones as those euros just go straight to Kremlin checkbook.
 
McRocket said:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...e-Nord-Stream-Pipelines&p=5302364#post5302364

Putin has absolutely, NOTHING to gain by blowing up his own pipelines.

But NATO members (the ones who don't need the pipe line) and/or Ukraine have a LOT to gain by doing so.

It is pure, common sense.
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Yes, the Zelenskies are relying on the manufactured hatred of Russia to warp reality. A decade ago the Zionist media would have enabled them to get away with it. The Internet rules today.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Highly unlikely.....much more likely this is America thinking that they are supporting Ukraine by doing what Ukraine wants and also thinking that they are destroying a Russian asset, not caring that a Europe that cant get energy dies.
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it also supports import of US LNG as a replacement to Russian NG.
 
Bigdog said:
Yep, China has surpassed Germany ... as Russia's number one buyer of Russian fossil fuels.
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Its more that China is out to subjugate the West, and that Europe is now in rapid decay and not strong enough to stand up against China. The Chinese will stip America of both Europe and Canada and then really hammer us, because they hate our guts.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We are shipping to Europe gas we need for ourselves, something that the Regime says will not stop.
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whats a good way to insure it will not stop ? eliminate the competition.

bets on who gets tapped to figure out who blew it up ? Blackrock ? US Navy ? somebody "reliable" ?
 
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