EU sees sabotage of Nord Stream, warns against attacks on 'active infrastructure'

ExpressLane said:
Tucker made an argument for the US being a suspect. It would have been easy peasy for the seals to do it. I'm skeptical however. I personally think it's a false flag attack. Putin rose to power using a false flag attack.
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But what a horrible thing this would be to do to our alleged allies, Germany and Europe.

They should get to decide.
 
ExpressLane said:
Tucker made an argument for the US being a suspect. It would have been easy peasy for the seals to do it. I'm skeptical however. I personally think it's a false flag attack. Putin rose to power using a false flag attack.
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I wouldn't go that far. I also looked at a chart of the Baltic after posting, and saw that where the pipeline was cut was a depth of only about 20 to 30 meters. That's reachable by just about any diver. A good fishing sonar could likely find the pipeline at that depth. That means the perp(s) pool got a lot larger. Putin gains nothing from an attack on the line as he could simply cut off supply at the source.

It's likely a third party, and the question remains, who?
 
Remember that China's top argument is that America is such a thug nation that we must be removed from power, we have through bad acts lost our right to lead.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I wouldn't go that far. I also looked at a chart of the Baltic after posting, and saw that where the pipeline was cut was a depth of only about 20 to 30 meters. That's reachable by just about any diver. A good fishing sonar could likely find the pipeline at that depth. That means the perp(s) pool got a lot larger. Putin gains nothing from an attack on the line as he could simply cut off supply at the source.

It's likely a third party, and the question remains, who?
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Putin gains if he can blame the sabotage on Ukraine. And he can repair the damage at that depth fairly easily. He had committed to shutting the pipeline down and the loss of the gas is nothing in the big scheme of things. Could be that Putin thinks the loss was worth being able to blame Ukraine for Europe's having no heat this winter. That may make the EU less likely to support Ukraine. It would have been easy peasy for the Russian navy to do.
 
Celticguy said:
they've been fine using phoney balony excuses so far. the last thing they need to do is something that costs real money to fix AND leak fuel that cannot be recaptured.
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Valid point. But I think they'll make Europe pay for the repairs, if Europe really wants the pipelines working, again. The Russians shut NS1 down, making them both useless pieces of junk anyway.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I wouldn't go that far. I also looked at a chart of the Baltic after posting, and saw that where the pipeline was cut was a depth of only about 20 to 30 meters. That's reachable by just about any diver. A good fishing sonar could likely find the pipeline at that depth. That means the perp(s) pool got a lot larger. Putin gains nothing from an attack on the line as he could simply cut off supply at the source.

It's likely a third party, and the question remains, who?
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That's much more shallow than I assumed. It does drastically widen the circle of suspects.
 
From one possible perspective, Putin has been amassing bargaining chips ... that he can exchange to get the Crimea internationally recognized as part of Russia.
 
Bigdog said:
From one possible perspective, Putin has been amassing bargaining chips ... that he can exchange to get the Crimea internationally recognized as part of Russia.
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Putin Has The New Chinese Empire in his corner.

"Our friendship is without limits"
 
Celticguy said:
who stands to gain from this ?

russia can just shut off the spigot so why cause damage they have to fix ?
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We're already seeing it as a propaganda rod to beat the Russians with.

I'm not sure if the Zelenskies had the means to mine the pipes- but I don't doubt for a moment that any NATO local would have done it on their behalf- after clearing it with the boss in Washington, of course.

The outcome, as I see it, is that the threat of EU countries succumbing to the Russian temptations of a renewed and cheap supply has been removed. They are being chained to the NATO insanity.
 
moon said:
We're already seeing it as a propaganda rod to beat the Russians with.

I'm not sure if the Zelenskies had the means to mine the pipes- but I don't doubt for a moment that any NATO local would have done it on their behalf- after clearing it with the boss in Washington, of course.

The outcome, as I see it, is that the threat of EU countries succumbing to the Russian temptations of a renewed and cheap supply has been removed. They are being chained to the NATO insanity.
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The Chinese could not be more thrilled.
 
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...tatement-by-president-biden-on-nord-stream-2/

"These steps are another piece of our initial tranche of sanctions in response to Russia’s actions in Ukraine. As I have made clear, we will not hesitate to take further steps if Russia continues to escalate."


Biden vows to stop Nord Stream 2 pipeline to Europe if Russia invades Ukraine

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/


" there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.” "


Biden says there won't be a Nord Stream 2 if Russia invades Ukraine

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-german-chancellor-nord-stream-2-russia/
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I suspect that the mines were submarine-delivered. That narrows it down considerably.
 
I dont mind pussies at all...licking/fucking/fingering/admiring.....but they must be on the right gender.
 
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