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Estonia, as with all the EU, gives immediate, full government benefits to any refugees from Ukraine. They have also sent huge amounts of military aid, considering how small they are.

They have sent the equivalent of 30% of the annual defense budget in four months, so basically doubled their defense budget for those four months. That works out to 0.81% of the GDP. If we sent that much, we would have sent over $200 billion.

Estonia would have sent more, but the 1.3 million people do not have a large defense industry, and it is hard to buy more weapon systems right now.
 
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Salty, do you ever stop lying? Estonia has granted temporary protection by the state not full citizenship and rights of travel as you tried to say previously.

In Estonia, numerous measures have been taken to support new arrivals from Ukraine since the ongoing Russian invasion began. This article provides a summary of some key developments.

National measures to support those fleeing Ukraine
As of 24 May Estonia has received more than 40 000 refugees from Ukraine, all of whom have been granted temporary protection by the state. They have also been provided initial accommodation, but organising permanent housing has so far been a challenge across the country. All options are being explored, including the rental market - for which the state is offering needs-based security deposits of up to € 900 - and available state-owned housing. Many employers have been helpful in finding accommodation, and ferry company Tallink is providing temporary housing on some of its cruise ships.

On 24 February the Estonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs agreed to allocate € 200 000 in emergency aid to those fleeing the conflict zones of Ukraine. These funds were spent on enhancing the work of humanitarian aid organisations. Other than the Ministry, these organisations have been funded by local city governments.

A further € 1.3 million was allocated by the government on 1 March to cover the costs of accepting refugees from Ukraine, including, for example, basic health checks and travel costs within Estonia. Refugee reception points were opened, in addition to Tallinn, in the cities of Rakvere, Tartu and Pärnu to help people with such issues as finding accommodation, entering the labour market and accessing psychological aid. In addition, on 23 March a school psychological support hotline was opened in Ukrainian (in addition to the pre-existing line in Russian). The Estonian Parliament (Riigikogu) also passed a bill to ease Ukrainian refugees' entry into the labour market. Employers are required to pay at least 80 % of their sector’s average pay in Estonia to their new refugee employees.

All Ukrainians with expiring Estonian residency permits have additionally been allowed to continue their stay in Estonia on a temporary basis, as reported by Estonian Police and Border Guard Board (PPA), through application at the PPA.

On 2 March the University of Tartu launched a scholarship fund for Ukrainian students, which is gathering donations to support the studies of Ukrainian students at Estonian universities. The Ministry of Education is also supporting Ukrainian children to access the education system by opening temporary schools for displaced children in Tallinn, and integrating displaced children elsewhere in the country into existing schools. Kindergartens in Tallin have made space to welcome 1 000 Ukrainian children, and the same has happened in other cities, albeit on a smaller scale.

https://ec.europa.eu/migrant-integr...l-and-civil-action-people-arriving-ukraine_en
 
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Estonia, as with all the EU, gives immediate, full government benefits to any refugees from Ukraine. They have also sent huge amounts of military aid, considering how small they are.

They have sent the equivalent of 30% of the annual defense budget in four months, so basically doubled their defense budget for those four months. That works out to 0.81% of the GDP. If we sent that much, we would have sent over $200 billion.

Estonia would have sent more, but the 1.3 million people do not have a large defense industry, and it is hard to buy more weapon systems right now.

If anyone can understand the risk of Putin's imperialism and revanchism, it is the Baltic states. They have Russian-speaking minorities living within their borders which, short of their membership in NATO, might tempt Vlad to claim those minorities need "liberating"
 
Salty, do you ever stop lying? Estonia has granted temporary protection by the state not full citizenship and rights of travel as you tried to say previously.

Are you using drugs? I said nothing about citizenship. I spoke of government social benefits, what the Europeans would call welfare programs. You are correct that it is technically temporary, but I doubt anyone thinks that they would be able to stop it. Millions of Ukrainians will never leave the EU.

You are wrong on two points: it is not Estonia who granted it, and the Ukrainians can travel within the EU. The generous refugee program was granted by the EU, and for anywhere in the EU that the Ukrainians wish to move. Much like an Estonian can move to Spain, and be nearly treated as a local, a Ukrainian can move to either Spain or Estonia.

In practice, so far Ukrainians have mostly moved to Poland. Ukrainian culture, and language are very similar to Polish culture, and language. Poland is just over a border from Ukraine.
 
Are you using drugs? I said nothing about citizenship. I spoke of government social benefits, what the Europeans would call welfare programs. You are correct that it is technically temporary, but I doubt anyone thinks that they would be able to stop it. Millions of Ukrainians will never leave the EU.

You are wrong on two points: it is not Estonia who granted it, and the Ukrainians can travel within the EU. The generous refugee program was granted by the EU, and for anywhere in the EU that the Ukrainians wish to move. Much like an Estonian can move to Spain, and be nearly treated as a local, a Ukrainian can move to either Spain or Estonia.

In practice, so far Ukrainians have mostly moved to Poland. Ukrainian culture, and language are very similar to Polish culture, and language. Poland is just over a border from Ukraine.

You did before when you were talking about how wonderful the EU is, probably forgotten now. Anyway here is the true story which is not quite so rosy.

Rights of Ukrainian Refugees in the EU Explained – Residence, Education, Work & More

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/ne...e-eu-explained-residence-education-work-more/
 
If anyone can understand the risk of Putin's imperialism and revanchism, it is the Baltic states. They have Russian-speaking minorities living within their borders which, short of their membership in NATO, might tempt Vlad to claim those minorities need "liberating"

Correct. Putin has definitely claimed that those minorities need liberating, but he has been unwilling to declare war on all NATO. Maybe if trump is elected president, Putin can invade Estonia.
 
You did before when you were talking about how wonderful the EU is, probably forgotten now.

I really did not. I doubt you can find anywhere where I did. For the most part, the Ukrainians are not interested in new citizenship... right now.

Now I will talk about citizenship:

Millions of Ukrainians are going to stay in the EU, whatever else happens. They will have children who are citizens of EU countries, and will have lives in EU countries. Years down the road, there will be talk of given them citizenship.

But that is not an EU wide process. Each EU country will decide for themselves how to do that. Estonia is famous for making residency easy, making citizenship look easy, and then making actually getting citizenship nearly impossible. You have to learn Estonian, which is not an Indo-European Language, and you have to be extremely fluent in it. That is not easy.

Anyway here is the true story which is not quite so rosy.

It is the most generous refugee program anyone has seen in generations.
 
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Correct. Putin has definitely claimed that those minorities need liberating, but he has been unwilling to declare war on all NATO. Maybe if trump is elected president, Putin can invade Estonia.
Biden helped drive the price of oil up. It's over twice what it was under Trump. Those extra petro dollars are funding Putin's war.
 
I really did not. I doubt you can find anywhere where I did. For the most part, the Ukrainians are not interested in new citizenship... right now.

Now I will talk about citizenship:

Millions of Ukrainians are going to stay in the EU, whatever else happens. They will have children who are citizens of EU countries, and will have lives in EU countries. Years down the road, there will be talk of given them citizenship.

But that is not an EU wide process. Each EU country will decide for themselves how to do that. Estonia is famous for making residency easy, making citizenship look easy, and then making actually getting citizenship nearly impossible. You have to learn Estonian, which is not an Indo-European Language, and you have to be extremely fluent in it. That is not easy.



It is the most generous refugee program anyone has seen in generations.

Estonia also has 20% inflation, my friend Kaspar is from there and he says it's causing tensions already.
 
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