Eric Holder Blocks South Carolina Voter ID For Racial Reasons

Return of Dune said:
It isn't just about blacks. It is every bit as much about the whites who don't have I.D.s, since they are too poor to spend money on something they otherwise have no use for. Being that poor, they are highly likely to not vote GOP.

You fell for Alias' BS racist crap hook, line and sinker. When I first read your ill-considered post, I felt like responding with a hearty F.U, and having now responded I still feel the same way, so FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCK.
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So they're so poor that the $20 dollars they'd need every 5-9 years for a government issue ID that's required for social assistance such as food stamps is better spent? On what? Couldn't they borrow that from a relative or friend? You're implying that they can somehow afford some form of transport to a polling place and back, but not a ID.
 
Kel Tec RFB said:
So they're so poor that the $20 dollars they'd need every 5-9 years for a government issue ID that's required for social assistance such as food stamps is better spent? On what? Couldn't they borrow that from a relative or friend? You're implying that they can somehow afford some form of transport to a polling place and back, but not a ID.
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Kudos to you for never having been poor enough to know the ignorance of your statement.
 
Kel Tec RFB said:
So they're so poor that the $20 dollars they'd need every 5-9 years for a government issue ID that's required for social assistance such as food stamps is better spent? On what? Couldn't they borrow that from a relative or friend? You're implying that they can somehow afford some form of transport to a polling place and back, but not a ID.
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If "they'd need every 5-9 years for a government issue ID that's required for social assistance such as food stamps" then they would already have one, wouldn't they?

Since the O.P. states they don't have one, then they OBVIOUSLY don't need it for such purposes, but ONLY to vote. When someone doesn't have enough food to eat, or money to keep the lights on etc., then clearly they would hardly make the choice to vote rather than eat, and if it were as simple as borrowing from a freind or relative, AGAIN, that money would be spent on needs rather than options.
Clearly therefore, what you AND Alias advocate is the disenfrachisement of the very poor, simply BECAUSE they are poor.

You fucks really need to become aware of the enormous poverty your treasonous voting has already caused.
 
A 2005 statewide study in Ohio found four instances of ineligible persons voting or attempting to vote in 2002 and 2004, out of 9 million votes cast.


An investigation of fraud allegations in Wisconsin in 2004 led to the prosecution of 0.0007 percent of voters.



From 2002 to 2005, the Justice Department found, only five people were convicted for voting multiple times. In that same period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for inporper voting.



According to Barnard political scientist Lorraine Minnite, most instances of improper voting involve registration and eligiblity, such as voters filling out registration forms incorrectly or a person with felony convictions attempting to register.



Neither of those issues would be prevented by a state photo ID requirement.


According to George Washington University law professor Spencer Overton, a former member of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, “a photo ID requirement would prevent over 1,000 legitimate votes (perhaps over 10,000 legitimate votes) for every single improper vote prevented.”


Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach recently defended what he called the “reasonable” new photo ID requirements. “It’s absurd to suggest that anyone is ‘disenfranchised’ by such protective measures,” he wrote in July.



He’s wrong. State photo ID restrictions disproportionately affect African Americans, Latinos, young voters, people over 65 and people with disabilities.


Advancement Project studies show that 11 percent of eligible voters, or about 21 million people, don’t have updated, state-issued photo IDs: 25 percent of African Americans, 15 percent of those earning less than $35,000, 18 percent of citizens age 65 or older and 20 percent of voters age 18 to 29.


The push for photo ID laws and other restrictions is largely chamiponed by the GOP and conservative groups.


Record rates of voter registration and turnout among young and minority voters in 2008 affected federal races across the nation, as about two-thirds of new voters registered as Democrats in the 29 states that record party affiliation.



The 2010 midterms put more conservatives in office who want to combat this trend.



The right-wing American Legislative Exchange Council, for example, drafted and promoted photo ID legislation that was introduced in more than 30 states.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-voter-fraud/2011/10/04/gIQAkjoYTL_story.html
 
Republicans claim that IDs are crucial, whereas Democrats argue VIFr is negligible and that this new ID requirement, above and beyond existing requirements, may disenfranchise voters who experience difficulty obtaining new IDs.



What, then, is the evidence for and against these contradictory views?



Reportedly, between 2001 and 2007 there were more people killed by lightning strikes than proven cases of VIFr.




http://www.thepilot.com/news/2011/dec/23/voter-fraud-itself-a-fraudulent-issue/
 
Voting rights advocates have long opposed voter ID legislation, much of which requires voters to present government-issued photo identification before they cast their ballots.


Studies have shown that such laws act as "de-facto poll taxes" and are discriminatory and burdensome, disproportionately impacting the indigent, elderly, students, women, people with disabilities, low income people and minorities.


Around 700,000 of South Carolina's registered voters do not have a state-issued photo ID.


Most of these voters are poor or elderly, and many are African American.


Voting rights advocates and Democratic lawmakers in South Carolina have charged that the law will create a burden that will discourage voter turnout. And like Texas, voting rights advocates point out, there were no official reports of voter fraud during the 2008 general election.







http://www.projectvote.org/in-the-news/408-gop-pushes-voter-id-bills-in-the-south-facing-south.html
 
Long on groaning, short on refuting.

Voter fraud is simply not an issue and attempts to eliminate voter fraud are simply thinly disguised efforts to disenfranchise voters likely to vote against the GOP.
 
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Funny that the stoner groaner can't debate, but is only capable of groaning frenzies.
 
Funny you havent told me how to catch voter fraud in non I'd states ged'r.
I have a bar that doesn't check id's, funny we never have an underage problem!
 
The Dude said:
Funny you havent told me how to catch voter fraud in non I'd states ged'r. I have a bar that doesn't check id's, funny we never have an underage problem!
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Voter fraud isn't an issue. Now, groan some more.
 
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