Electric vehicles can now power your home for three days. MAGA wets panties
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Into the Night
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Honda is not exclusively EVs, dumbass. You are STILL trying to ignore his post.
Into the Night
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You don't get to tell him what he buys.
Name-calling again. What is wrong with you? Do you think calling him dumbass makes your post more believable? I bet in your good moments, you are aware he knows Honda sells ICEs too. The future is EVs.
Into the Night
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Inversion fallacy. The future is not EVs. The PAST is EVs.
Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.
Inversion fallacy, the past is ICEs and anyone with firing neurons knows that.
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Then prove me wrong.
If you buy one, it'll be an EV.
I only buy used cars so even less reason to buy an EV.
The problem with EVs are the minerals required to make batteries. In order to supply the minerals required by the stated goals mining would have to be increased 50 fold and as regulations and permitting takes 17 years (at best) it just can't happen.
There is a reason even Elon Musk is working on hydrogen tech.
Into the Night
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Mockery. Buzzword fallacy. EVs are older than gasoline cars. Currently, less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.
Into the Night
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Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.
I don't need to prove a negative. YOU must support your argument. Answer the question put to you. Don't evade.
Into the Night
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Hydrogen is no salvation either. The hydrogen must be manufactured either releasing lots of CO2 or consuming even more electricity than EV's use, and there is the problem if distribution and the long time it takes to refuel.
If you are worried about the minerals, fuel cells require expensive and rare materials to manufacture.
Clearly we do not have a hydrogen solution in hand at present but they are exploring a number of ideas that address the various problems.
If we have higher profile concerns working on it maybe solutions come more quickly.
Into the Night
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Ya canna' change the laws of physics, cap'n.
No matter how you cut it, the hydrogen must be manufactured. That creates a lot of CO2 or requires a lot of electricity (more than EVs use).
No matter how you cut it, the ideal gas law is always active. You can't ignore it. It is the cause of the long refueling process.
No matter how you cut it, fuel cells require rare and expensive materials.
No matter how you cut it, fuel cells do not 'ramp up' quickly, necessitating large battery packs (such as Li-ion) to ballast the load.
No matter how you cut it, hydrogen embrittlement is always an issue with any pressure tank. The cause is the small molecule and the reactivity of hydrogen.
As for CO2, I could care less. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. It IS, however, considered a magick destructive gas by the Church of Global Warming.
We already HAVE efficient vehicles. Gasoline powered vehicles are reaching almost 50% efficiency, thanks to FADEC designs and more precise engineering. The very simple EGR system practically eliminated smog.
That's far more energy efficient than EVs or hydrogen powered cars, once you consider the cost and efficiencies of providing the fuel (or electricity) for them. These vehicles are maintainable using simple common tools, can carry heavy payloads, an run long distances without refueling, and refueling takes only a few minutes, and they can fueled remotely.
There is a reason most cars on the road are gasoline powered cars. It's what people want.
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Some of the more promising approaches I've seen Actually do address many of these concerns. They do not attempt to isolate hydrogen into a fuel cell but rather have a compound from which the hydrogen is withdrawn. Refuel is reduced to replacing a cartridge.
As you probably suspect, I could care less about CO2 as a by-product. I like greener surroundings.
Into the Night
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Withdrawing hydrogen requires an expenditure of energy. How is energy being generated?
Fine. At least we agree on this.
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Battery technology changes every year. The technology isn't static. So your comments about the minerals is a moot point.
I would go invest in an EV ETF if I were you, ColicGuy.
Annual global EV sales forecast across different Nations:
Into the Night
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Withdrawing hydrogen requires and expenditure of energy. How is energy being generated?
An endothermic reaction is not an exothermic reaction.
Into the Night
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Nope. A Li-ion battery today is exactly like it was when it was invented in the mid-80's. It is the same chemistry. It doesn't change.
The same chemistry is the same chemistry. It hasn't changed.
Li-ion batteries require minerals. They are not renewable. Lithium prices are already up by five times from just a few years ago. Lithium sources are becoming more scarce.
Nah. I don't deal with government subsidy investments. They are too volatile.