Electric cars soaked by saltwater from hurricane go up in flames

[Nomad]

It doesn't run either, monarchist.

To be fair, having a burned down house with dead family members inside is a bit worse than having a car that won't run.

EV manufacturers need to get the battery issues fixed.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

To be fair, having a burned down house with dead family members inside is a bit worse than having a car that won't run.

EV manufacturers need to get the battery issues fixed.

My advice is to know how to handle lithium batteries. If not, then don't park it inside the house.

Electric cars can catch fire due to multiple factors, mostly pertaining to the battery123. These factors include:

• Electrical short, overcharging or overdischarging
• Exposure to high temperatures or charging at cold temperatures
• Excessive shock, impact, compression (crush) or penetration
• Corrosive and aggressive agents contaminating internal components (eg: salt water)
• Excess cycling, electrochemical component breakdown, fracture and crack growth

https://ndakotalaw.com/do-electric-cars-catch-fire-more-than-gas-powered-vehicles/

“Electric automobiles catch fire less frequently than gasoline-powered cars, but the duration and intensity of the fires can make them considerably more difficult to put out due to the use of lithium-ion battery packs. Lithium-ion batteries are notoriously difficult to keep cool. Even after appearing to be turned off for 24 hours, the batteries can generate enough heat to re-ignite.”

 

[ExpressLane]

Two Tesla cars, one in Palm Harbor and another in Pinellas Park, seemed to spontaneously combust after becoming flooded with saltwater during the hurricane, Florida officials said.

On Aug. 30, Palm Harbor Fire Rescue responded to a Tesla on fire in Dunedin, according to the department’s Facebook post.

“If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay,” Palm Harbor Fire Rescue said in the post.

Firefighters said exposure from saltwater can trigger spontaneous combustion of lithium-ion batteries, used in electric cars, but also found in some golf carts and electric scooters.

In the weeks following the saltwater surge, there were 12 reports of electric vehicle fires in Collier and Lee counties, according to the U.S. Fire Administration.

One of those fires grew so severe it burned down two houses on Sanibel Island, the administration said.

“According to the NHTSA, residual salt within the battery or battery components can form conductive ‘bridges’ that can lead to short circuit and self-heating of the battery, resulting in fires,” the USFA said. “The time frame in which a damaged battery can ignite has been observed to vary widely, from days to weeks.”


https://news.yahoo.com/electric-cars-soaked-saltwater-hurricane-205349787.html

And Joe Crapitalist craps his thong.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Well, according to the video you posted, the battery pack DOES have a rubber gasket all the way around it.

No, it has one between the pack and the vehicle. The seal on the pack itself is urethane caulking applied by hand.

The washers on the bolts might be a problem as you suggested, though.

Lack of a rubber gasket on the bolts is a problem as is making the bolts from common steel rather than stainless steel.

I still don't see why they can't come up with some method of sealing the lid onto the bottom tray of the pack with some type of fusion process, maybe a heat seal, that effectively makes the outer case a single piece, into which it is impossible for water to penetrate.

They could, but it would cost more. The likelihood is improvements to seal it have been rejected on that basis.

Gasket material embedded in a grove around the cover and pan of the battery with a light smear of sealant on it would work wonders. But now you have to rework a very expensive set of dies that stamp out the cover and pan, likely at the cost of tens of millions, to incorporate it.

Probably has to do with production cost.

It totally has to do with production costs.

I would think that eventually that issue will get ironed out.

Not as long as Tesla can get away with not doing it...

EV's are still in their early stage.

EV's have been around longer than ICE vehicles, they've never succeeded in the market on their own. The ONLY reason they are making headway today is government forcing them on the public.

 

[ExpressLane]

To be fair, having a burned down house with dead family members inside is a bit worse than having a car that won't run.

EV manufacturers need to get the battery issues fixed.

Is that as bad as a kitchen fire?

 

[Nordberg]

I read that 2 battery fires happened in the whole state.

 

[ExpressLane]

I read that 2 battery fires happened in the whole state.

How about 12 in just two counties.

"In the weeks following the saltwater surge, there were 12 reports of electric vehicle fires in Collier and Lee counties, according to the U.S. Fire Administration."

 

[Nomad]

My advice is to know how to handle lithium batteries. If not, then don't park it inside the house.

A car on fire parked NEXT TO a house can still set the house on fire.

I suppose that until the EV industry irons out this problem, the general rule should be to park it out on the street or in an open field somewhere.

 

[Bigdog]

What make you an expert on electric car??????

The pandemic reduced CO2 by over 5%. It had absolutely zero effect on CO2 growth.

Hmmm ...

"while carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions fell by 5.4% in 2020, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere continued to grow at about the same rate as in preceding years."

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/emission-reductions-from-pandemic-had-unexpected-effects-on-atmosphere

 

[Dutch Uncle]

A car on fire parked NEXT TO a house can still set the house on fire.

I suppose that until the EV industry irons out this problem, the general rule should be to park it out on the street or in an open field somewhere.

A car full of gasoline can do the same. Did you notice the link said gasoline cars catch fire more often than electric?

 

[Grokmaster]

Why many mutli-family buildings now do not allow EVs in their garages.

Many more likely hazards...

 

[NiftyNiblick]

All these car threads are getting depressing.

Any decent one costs six figures, and fewer and fewer people can afford that.
[I'm not one of them. Most of our assets are transferred to the kids already.]

Then, even if you do spend the money, it will have head restraints that won't let you wear a hat.

 

[Nomad]

A car full of gasoline can do the same. Did you notice the link said gasoline cars catch fire more often than electric?

Not spontaneously, I'm guessing.

Either way it's a useless argument which is beside the point.

The point being that EV manufacturers need to get a handle on these battery problems if they want them to eventually replace gas powered vehicles.

I'm all for them.

I'd love to have one if they were affordable and mostly problem free.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not spontaneously, I'm guessing.

Either way it's a useless argument which is beside the point.

The point being that EV manufacturers need to get a handle on these battery problems if they want them to eventually replace gas powered vehicles.

I'm all for them.

I'd love to have one if they were affordable and mostly problem free.

Neither do the electric cars. There's always a reason as previously posted.

 

[Nomad]

Neither do the electric cars. There's always a reason as previously posted.

You mean like being hooked up to a charger?

Because that has happened.

Everyone knows that lithium ion batteries are prone to combustion.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You mean like being hooked up to a charger?

Because that has happened.

Everyone knows that lithium ion batteries are prone to combustion.

No. Another link you didn't read. LOL

 

[ExpressLane]

A car on fire parked NEXT TO a house can still set the house on fire.

I suppose that until the EV industry irons out this problem, the general rule should be to park it out on the street or in an open field somewhere.

Hard to charge them there most people charge them in their garage.

 

[Nomad]

No. Another link you didn't read. LOL

Another post in which you were too fucking lazy to post what you wanted the reader to know. LOL.

 

[RB 60]

No, it has one between the pack and the vehicle. The seal on the pack itself is urethane caulking applied by hand.



Lack of a rubber gasket on the bolts is a problem as is making the bolts from common steel rather than stainless steel.



They could, but it would cost more. The likelihood is improvements to seal it have been rejected on that basis.

Gasket material embedded in a grove around the cover and pan of the battery with a light smear of sealant on it would work wonders. But now you have to rework a very expensive set of dies that stamp out the cover and pan, likely at the cost of tens of millions, to incorporate it.



It totally has to do with production costs.



Not as long as Tesla can get away with not doing it...



EV's have been around longer than ICE vehicles, they've never succeeded in the market on their own. The ONLY reason they are making headway today is government forcing them on the public.

Ever heard of Never Seez on bolt and nut threads?

Believe me, it works. I put it on my spinners, hub, etc. I haven't had one loosen, and you can break them free much easier.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Another post in which you were too fucking lazy to post what you wanted the reader to know. LOL.

You don't want to know, Mad. You've been proving that on two different threads where you've posted to me. You didn't read the OP link about the shotgun weilding man and you didn't read the link about what causes electric car fires or the fact there are more gas car fires vs. electric.