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really? what power does the president have? again, you have no clue what a democratic election means. you're making a huge fool of yourself.
Egyptian Democracy!
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no surprise the coward runs away again.
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The constitution has not been written yet, so nobody knows how political power will be divided up.
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they did have a constitution. tell me, what happened to it? who is in power in egypt? what power does the president actually have?
He'll definitely have power. This was a democratic election. There will be growing pains, and like Derp, I'm not a fan of religious fundamentalism in charge - but it's a 1st step.
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It has been torn up and is being rewritten, so who knows how much power he will have. The Army controls things at the moment.
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We live in a constitutional republic. Our representatives are democratically elected. As far as a say in the policies that effect us, that comes up every 2, 4, and 6 years.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Yes... I am sure that the Radical Islamic Fundies who usurped political power in the vacuum of Mubarak's departure, have the BEST of intentions, and FULLY intend to implement a vibrant democratic government! They will probably still remain firm US allies, and help defend the Israelis against terrorist aggression!
But...but... they said they had "democratic elections" there! Well guess how "democratic elections" work in radical Islam? You get to pick from a Mullah, a Cleric, an Ayatollah, or a Radical Fundamentalist. Missing from the ballot, are anyone who doesn't believe in the message of radical Islam, and anyone who favors western-style democratic government. You can vote for whichever evil you please... that's DEMOCRACY over there. Oh... and IF you happen to not like your choices, and you raise too much of a protest, they shoot you in the head. Everyone is encouraged to participate in the "democratic" process.
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So what the hell would you have done? Apart from blowing out of your arse.
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23 candidates officially registered to contest the elections
Morsi won by a narrow margin over Ahmed Shafiq, the last prime minister under deposed leader Hosni Mubarak.
Shortly after it became apparent that Morsi would win the election, SCAF made the following changes to the 30 March 2011 Egypt Constitutional Declaration in order to define the powers of the new president:
-Article 30: In situation that parliament is dissolved the president will be vowed into office in front of High Constitutional Court's General Assembly.
-Article 53: The incumbent SCAF members are responsible for deciding on all issues related to the armed forces including appointing its leaders and extending the terms in office of the aforesaid leaders. The current head of the SCAF is to act as commander-in-chief of the armed forces and minister of defense until a new constitution is drafted.
-Article 53/1: The president can only declare war after the approval of the SCAF.
-Article 53/2: If the country faces internal unrest which requires the intervention of the armed forces, the president can issue a decision to commission the armed forces – with the approval of the SCAF - to maintain security and defend public properties. Current Egyptian law stipulates the powers of the armed forces and its authorities in cases where the military can use force, arrest or detain.
-Article 56 B: The SCAF will assume the authorities set out in sub-article 1 of Article 56 as written in the 30 March 2011 Constitutional Declaration until a new parliament is elected.
-Article 60 B: If the constituent assembly encounters an obstacle that would prevent it from completing its work, the SCAF within a week will form a new constituent assembly- to author a new constitution within three months from the day of the new assembly's formation. The newly drafted constitution will be put forward after 15 days of the day it is completed, for approval by the people through a national referendum. The parliamentary elections will take place one month from the day the new constitution is approved by the national referendum.
-Article 60 B1: If the president, the head of SCAF, the prime minister, the Supreme Council of the Judiciary or a fifth of the constituent assembly find that the new constitution contains an article or more which conflict with the revolution's goals and its main principles or which conflict with any principle agreed upon in all of Egypt's former constitutions, any of the aforementioned bodies may demand that the constituent assembly revises this specific article within 15 days. Should the constituent assembly object to revising the contentious article, the article will be referred to the High Constitutional Court (HCC) which will then be obliged to give its verdict within seven days. The HCC's decision is final and will be published in the official gazette within three days from the date of issuance.
- Article 38 will be replaced with: "The parliamentary elections will be conducted in accordance to the law."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_presidential_election,_2012
Morsi won by a narrow margin over Ahmed Shafiq, the last prime minister under deposed leader Hosni Mubarak.
Shortly after it became apparent that Morsi would win the election, SCAF made the following changes to the 30 March 2011 Egypt Constitutional Declaration in order to define the powers of the new president:
-Article 30: In situation that parliament is dissolved the president will be vowed into office in front of High Constitutional Court's General Assembly.
-Article 53: The incumbent SCAF members are responsible for deciding on all issues related to the armed forces including appointing its leaders and extending the terms in office of the aforesaid leaders. The current head of the SCAF is to act as commander-in-chief of the armed forces and minister of defense until a new constitution is drafted.
-Article 53/1: The president can only declare war after the approval of the SCAF.
-Article 53/2: If the country faces internal unrest which requires the intervention of the armed forces, the president can issue a decision to commission the armed forces – with the approval of the SCAF - to maintain security and defend public properties. Current Egyptian law stipulates the powers of the armed forces and its authorities in cases where the military can use force, arrest or detain.
-Article 56 B: The SCAF will assume the authorities set out in sub-article 1 of Article 56 as written in the 30 March 2011 Constitutional Declaration until a new parliament is elected.
-Article 60 B: If the constituent assembly encounters an obstacle that would prevent it from completing its work, the SCAF within a week will form a new constituent assembly- to author a new constitution within three months from the day of the new assembly's formation. The newly drafted constitution will be put forward after 15 days of the day it is completed, for approval by the people through a national referendum. The parliamentary elections will take place one month from the day the new constitution is approved by the national referendum.
-Article 60 B1: If the president, the head of SCAF, the prime minister, the Supreme Council of the Judiciary or a fifth of the constituent assembly find that the new constitution contains an article or more which conflict with the revolution's goals and its main principles or which conflict with any principle agreed upon in all of Egypt's former constitutions, any of the aforementioned bodies may demand that the constituent assembly revises this specific article within 15 days. Should the constituent assembly object to revising the contentious article, the article will be referred to the High Constitutional Court (HCC) which will then be obliged to give its verdict within seven days. The HCC's decision is final and will be published in the official gazette within three days from the date of issuance.
- Article 38 will be replaced with: "The parliamentary elections will be conducted in accordance to the law."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_presidential_election,_2012
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exactly. do you believe the elections were democratic? what is your definition of democratic elections? i checked online and there is no set definition.
You didn't even know what democratic elections were when you ridiculed me for saying they had democratic elections? You had to look it up?
Man, is that embarassing.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Well... this situation would have certainly never developed, that's for sure. Way back in time, when Liberals completely ignored all of Egypt's political problems, I would have sent my Secretary of State over, and had a talk with Mubarak. I would have explained to him exactly HOW he would be able to remain in power, by adopting and supporting a true democratic election process. Then I would have used the upheaval as an opportunity to establish true constitutional democracy in Egypt.
Liberals stood by and did nothing, and allowed Mubarak to be overthrown, and replaced with radical Islamists. Now what we have, is a government that claims to be "democratic" but isn't, and isn't going to ever be. Liberals, being radicals themselves, are dancing in the streets over their form of "democracy" which is actually radicalism. You've allowed one of the most important allies we had over there, to become radicalized. Now we shall see what that brings... I predict it ain't gonna be pretty.
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It is more democratic than before when they tried to exclude some candidates. This is only the first stage hopefully the parliament will have some real power and not just be a talking shop.
Oh, I'm sure that would have done the trick.
You're utter partisan hypocrisy, combined with the above political naivite, are really pretty insufferable.
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Didn't you also predict that there'd be a "backlash" against liberals that would secure the GOP nomination for Herman Cain?
If Dixie predicts it... It ain't gunna happen!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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It might not have done the trick, we might have needed to 'persuade' Mr. Mubarak, but it certainly wouldn't have ended with radical Islamic fundamentalists in control of the government. I was asked what I would have done, and I said! Now let's get back to the excuses you've invented to support this insanity and lack of foreign policy.
What's interesting about this feckless liberal approach, is when it all goes to shit over there, you can stand there with that dumb Nancy Pelosi blank stare, and pretend you "never saw this coming!" Then you and your left-wing radical cabal can construct all kinds of 'explanations' for why the shitstorm is the fault of REPUBLICANS and their policies... like you always do.